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mel2	Nov 13 2006, 01:09 PM Post #1
Virtuoso Group: Members Posts: 2445 Joined: 15-May 06 Member No.: 6928	Hi there I wonder if anyone can shed light on this symbol that has had me in a tizz all weekend; it is in Annie O. Warburtons Harmony -New Edition p.111 and the sentence goes thus: (1) The same chord should not be used U--. It is good --U. Que?? Its actually not a dotted line and its more of a horseshoe but thats the best I can do! Hope someone can help. Mel

Charlies Aunt	Nov 13 2006, 02:06 PM Post #2
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 896 Joined: 12-July 06 From: moo moo land Member No.: 7255	Hello Is there any way you could add a bit more to the description? Maybe the sentences before and after the one you quoted could help put it in context. Thanks

mel2	Nov 13 2006, 02:50 PM Post #3
Virtuoso Group: Members Posts: 2445 Joined: 15-May 06 Member No.: 6928	QUOTE(Charlies Aunt @ Nov 13 2006, 02:06 PM) Hello Is there any way you could add a bit more to the description? Maybe the sentences before and after the one you quoted could help put it in context. Thanks I'll try - it has to do with using the same chord twice at the beginning of the piece you are harmonising on either side of the bar line. (Think O COME all ye faithful....). I've never come across this symbol anywhere else and I'm not sure what the U refers to. It's used again in a previous sentence : "In hymn tunes the same chord is sometimes used U---for the first two notes"(it then gives an example of the hymn tune Hanover - or O Worship the King, all Glorious above) "This is the only exception you must allow yourself. It is generally good to use the same chord ---U and such progressions are very frequent." Well, yes, I can see the bit about using the same chord but I'm confused as to why the dash is sometimes before and sometimes after the U. Mel

sbhoa	Nov 13 2006, 03:27 PM Post #4
Maestro Group: Members Posts: 18911 Joined: 31-October 03 From: Tameside Member No.: 24	I've just been looking at the book and I'm not sure either.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Amber	Nov 13 2006, 04:08 PM Post #5
Virtuoso Group: Members Posts: 3732 Joined: 30-October 04 From: Southern England Member No.: 2447	Could you scan the page and post it here, so we can see it?

mel2	Nov 13 2006, 04:15 PM Post #6
Virtuoso Group: Members Posts: 2445 Joined: 15-May 06 Member No.: 6928	QUOTE(Amber @ Nov 13 2006, 04:08 PM) Could you scan the page and post it here, so we can see it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) I'll do my best but shall have to enlist help at home - am currently at work and would have to explain myself! Back in 1 hr. Mel

fsharpminor	Nov 13 2006, 04:22 PM Post #7
Maestro Group: Members Posts: 12232 Joined: 7-June 06 From: Wirral (originally Keighley, Yorks) Member No.: 7089	This one is easy for an organist, it means play the pedal with the heel rather than the toe . An upturned V means toe and a U means heel ! Does this seem the right explanation Mel ??

Charlies Aunt	Nov 13 2006, 04:31 PM Post #8
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 896 Joined: 12-July 06 From: moo moo land Member No.: 7255	QUOTE(fsharpminor @ Nov 13 2006, 05:22 PM) This one is easy for an organist, it means play the pedal with the heel rather than the toe . An upturned V means toe and a U means heel ! Does this seem the right explanation Mel ?? Yes- makes sense now as Mel is mainly referring to hymn music! What do the dashes refer to though? Thanks.

sbhoa	Nov 13 2006, 04:50 PM Post #9
Maestro Group: Members Posts: 18911 Joined: 31-October 03 From: Tameside Member No.: 24	No, it's not a pedal indication and it's not marked on the music. It seems to mean something like 'chord x' with the dash after indicating continuation of the same chord though what the reverse means (dash followed by the symbol) I'm not sure.

JohnS	Nov 13 2006, 05:16 PM Post #10
Prodigy Group: Members Posts: 1554 Joined: 14-August 05 From: CV11 Member No.: 4453	I went through this book a few years ago and wondered what the symbol in reverse meant then. It might remain one of lives great mysteries!

mel2	Nov 13 2006, 06:20 PM Post #11
Virtuoso Group: Members Posts: 2445 Joined: 15-May 06 Member No.: 6928	[quote name='Amber' date='Nov 13 2006, 04:08 PM' post='421831'] Could you scan the page and post it here, so we can see it? [/quote Have just spent 40 mins trying to do that but can't seem to transfer it to this screen - our Geek cred is as low as my harmony skills. It's a consolation to know that it has foxed other musically literate people though; I was beginning to feel obtuse. As regards the pedal indication idea, no, I could have made sense of that but it is the nearest thing in appearance to this symbol. Thanks for the replies - I'll try a Google and if I turn anything up I'll let you all know. Mel

petrat	Nov 14 2006, 02:36 PM Post #12
Unregistered	Could it mean "weak to strong" as in beats? Dunno really. That was a pure guess as I have not seen it either (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

sbhoa	Nov 14 2006, 05:11 PM Post #13
Maestro Group: Members Posts: 18911 Joined: 31-October 03 From: Tameside Member No.: 24	QUOTE(petrat @ Nov 14 2006, 02:36 PM) Could it mean "weak to strong" as in beats? Dunno really. That was a pure guess as I have not seen it either (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) That would make some sense.

nannyjay	Nov 14 2006, 10:07 PM Post #14
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 603 Joined: 26-April 05 Member No.: 3566	Yes, I think it means 'weak' beat. The same symbol is used in poetry for the weak syllables in a poem. Only an idea though, I am not absolutely certain.

mel2	Nov 15 2006, 10:00 AM Post #15
Virtuoso Group: Members Posts: 2445 Joined: 15-May 06 Member No.: 6928	QUOTE(nannyjay @ Nov 14 2006, 10:07 PM) Yes, I think it means 'weak' beat. The same symbol is used in poetry for the weak syllables in a poem. Only an idea though, I am not absolutely certain. So the U could refer to the stong beat and the --- to the weak one then? It seems a reasonable idea I must say. I'll look at the exercise again and see if that throws any light on it. Thanks for the thought, nannyjay. Mel.

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