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> Classical Music As Punishment
Solari
post Mar 4 2010, 02:40 PM
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"Classical music is being used increasingly in Great Britain as a tool for social control and a deterrent to bad behavior. One school district subjects badly behaving children to hours of Mozart in special detention. Unsurprisingly, some of these youth now find classical music unbearable. Recorded classical music is blared through speakers at bus stops, outside stores, train stations and elsewhere to drive away loitering youth. Apparently it works. Detentions are down, graffiti is reduced, and naughty youth flee because they find classical music repugnant."

Linking to: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/203685-W...-social-control

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) Don't agree with this to be honest, even if it does work in reducing bad behaviour!
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post Mar 4 2010, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE(Solari @ Mar 4 2010, 02:40 PM) *
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/03/04/02...-Social-Control

"Classical music is being used increasingly in Great Britain as a tool for social control and a deterrent to bad behavior. One school district subjects badly behaving children to hours of Mozart in special detention. Unsurprisingly, some of these youth now find classical music unbearable. Recorded classical music is blared through speakers at bus stops, outside stores, train stations and elsewhere to drive away loitering youth. Apparently it works. Detentions are down, graffiti is reduced, and naughty youth flee because they find classical music repugnant."

Linking to: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/203685-W...-social-control

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) Don't agree with this to be honest, even if it does work in reducing bad behaviour!




Obviously they've never read Clockwork Orange - Alex would love it!
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Solari
post Mar 4 2010, 02:50 PM
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Obviously they've never read Clockwork Orange - Alex would love it!


I love that book/film and it does make you think about it! You can bet that the sound quality is awful through school PA speakers or whatever they use though, so it'd not be a great experience for anyone!
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post Mar 4 2010, 02:58 PM
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They use it at my tube stop and I love it(and the lack of loiterers). I don't see a problem with using it to stop anti-social behaviour etc, but using it as a punishment in schools seems a bit bizarre.

(If you wanted to get rid of me might I suggest you play some gangsta rap.)
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post Mar 4 2010, 03:06 PM
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They use it at my tube stop and I love it(and the lack of loiterers).


Isn't that just moving the problem elsewhere rather than dealing with the issue itself, though? I never understood that... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Mar 4 2010, 03:17 PM
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I don't believe it. I work with young vulnerable children and we use Mozart and Vivaldi to calm down children. Maybe the troublesome youths just don't want to tune in to feeling good rather than actually finding it repugnent. Good idea for detention to help children relax but not as a punishment - a bit like saying if you don't behave you can stay in and do more maths. no wonder lots of children hate maths.
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post Mar 4 2010, 03:25 PM
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) Don't agree with this to be honest, even if it does work in reducing bad behaviour!


I don't agree with this either. This is promoting classical music in a negative way.

I take it the high-pitch-emitting "Mosquito" devices aren't having the desired effect?
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post Mar 4 2010, 03:32 PM
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Maybe the troublesome youths just don't want to tune in to feeling good rather than actually finding it repugnent.


I think you're on to something there. Being an uncultured, brash "gangsta/solja" seems to be the "in" thing with some kids. Despair and a life of grime is cool, according to gangsta crap. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)
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post Mar 4 2010, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE(JoMook @ Mar 4 2010, 02:58 PM) *

They use it at my tube stop and I love it(and the lack of loiterers).


Isn't that just moving the problem elsewhere rather than dealing with the issue itself, though? I never understood that... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


Maybe, but I don't think it's a problem with an easy solution otherwise it would have been solved by now. Also, it doesn't appear to be always on, maybe it only coincides with the "loitering rush hours". I don't think it's prompting classical music in a negative way, but would agree that using it as a punishment, i.e. forcing people to listen to it in a locked room, is.
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post Mar 4 2010, 03:42 PM
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QUOTE(Solari @ Mar 4 2010, 03:06 PM) *

QUOTE(JoMook @ Mar 4 2010, 02:58 PM) *

They use it at my tube stop and I love it(and the lack of loiterers).


Isn't that just moving the problem elsewhere rather than dealing with the issue itself, though? I never understood that... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


Maybe, but I don't think it's a problem with an easy solution otherwise it would have been solved by now.

Easy solution would be for politicians and councils to stop putting money in their pockets/spend money on useless paperwork or surveys and invest it in sport centres instead (free for under 18s). But that would mean thinking of the population before themselves and that will obviously never happen! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
They also started playing classical music in a station I use regularly and the sound is terrible. Nothing to do with music...just a terrible, awful noise you want to run away from!
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post Mar 4 2010, 03:51 PM
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QUOTE(JoMook @ Mar 4 2010, 02:58 PM) *

They use it at my tube stop and I love it(and the lack of loiterers).


Isn't that just moving the problem elsewhere rather than dealing with the issue itself, though? I never understood that... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


Maybe, but I don't think it's a problem with an easy solution otherwise it would have been solved by now.

Easy solution would be for politicians and councils to stop putting money in their pockets/spend money on useless paperwork or surveys and invest it in sport centres instead (free for under 18s). But that would mean thinking of the population before themselves and that will obviously never happen! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
They also started playing classical music in a station I use regularly and the sound is terrible. Nothing to do with music...just a terrible, awful noise you want to run away from!


I'm sorry, but I do not believe that having free sports centres will solve the issue of loitering and/or whatever that loitering leads to. I can imagine that these places would be deemed un-cool.

Pointless surveys by councils however, annoy the h-e-l-l out of me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Mar 4 2010, 04:00 PM
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I'm sorry, but I do not believe that having free sports centres will solve the issue of loitering and/or whatever that loitering leads to. I can imagine that these places would be deemed un-cool.

hmmm..as sad as it is..you might be right there! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Mar 4 2010, 04:51 PM
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QUOTE(JoMook @ Mar 4 2010, 03:51 PM) *

I'm sorry, but I do not believe that having free sports centres will solve the issue of loitering and/or whatever that loitering leads to. I can imagine that these places would be deemed un-cool.

hmmm..as sad as it is..you might be right there! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)


I think you will find that with the right staffing, it could work. I remember reading about the woman who started Kids' Company - at first the kids started trashing the place but when they were pushed into realising that they were cr@pping on their own doorstep, they soon calmed down. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Mar 4 2010, 05:08 PM
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Moving back to music (and sports if you like), surely its getting them young. Access to playing instruments is so dependent on money and parents expectations in this country. Get them up and music making for free whatever their ability. What about something like the Venezualan project - weren't they doing that in some run down city in Scotland (apologies for those that live there).
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post Mar 4 2010, 05:16 PM
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Classical music is being used increasingly in Great Britain as a tool for social control and a deterrent to bad behavior. One school district subjects badly behaving children to hours of Mozart in special detention. Unsurprisingly, some of these youth now find classical music unbearable.


Surprised that nobody so far has pointed out the obvious. 99% of those youths would no doubt find classical music unbearable no matter how they're punished.

I'm just waiting for a comedian to make a sketch out of it.

"Okay boy, you're down for six of the best! What's it to be?

Symphonies or Sonatas?" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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