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> Intervals made easy?
Maizie
post Jul 27 2012, 07:45 AM
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Also, as you will see from any thread on intervals, there are several different approaches to them. In general, I would say people find one way that they just get, and the other ways seem daft (either you don't get them at all, or you understand how they work but think 'that's so hard' compared to the way you do get!)
So of course, if you are initially taught one of the ways you don't get, you don't get it! But when you find the way that works for you, then bing goes the lightbulb!
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post Aug 24 2012, 12:17 AM
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QUOTE(porilo @ Jul 22 2012, 07:56 PM) *

Can't think of any particularly easy way, although you might find counting semitones useful. That's a method which I use. For example a minor 6th has 8 semitones, a major 6th has 9 and an augmented 6th has 10. Then there are equvalent intervals, for example an augmented 3rd is technically the same as a perfect 4th, but you need to be careful how they are written. If it's C-E# then although it's a perfect 4th you would still need to call it an augmented 3rd. Yes, I know it's confusing. When I was studying it took me ages to get my head around them. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

Thats what I don't get. If someone played you an interval. How do you respond. Minor 6th or Augmented 5th, if you have no idea of the key signature.
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post Aug 24 2012, 08:58 AM
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QUOTE(Keron @ Aug 24 2012, 01:17 AM) *
Thats what I don't get. If someone played you an interval. How do you respond. Minor 6th or Augmented 5th, if you have no idea of the key signature.

In an exam,* the assumption is that you are hearing intervals that occur in a major key, so you will get full marks for naming an interval as perfect, major or minor. I don't know at what level you get the tritone, but if you do, you ask, "Please will you resolve that"; then if, e.g., you finish with C over E, you must have started with B over F, an augmented fourth, while if you finish with A# over F#, start was B over E#, a diminished fifth. If you don't want to remember those details, the easy way is that diatonic intervals have different note names, so that there are two name changes in the resolution; therefore, the major third came from a fifth, and the minor sixth came from a fourth.

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post Aug 24 2012, 10:20 PM
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That's the way I was taught by a singer. Don't mess about
counting semitones, at Grade 5 level anyway, you will be horribly confused
and unable to get the right answer in the exam.
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post Aug 25 2012, 09:07 AM
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use the Tonic Sol-fa. It takes little time to teach, but the results are amazing (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


....just noticed you are a pupil, try and learn the Tonic Sol-fa if you can. Practice singing them like this:

Doh ray (2nd)
Doh me (3rd)
Doh fa (4th)
Doh soh (5th)
Doh lah (6th)
Doh te (7th)
Doh (top) Doh (octave)

And then back down the scale :

Doh te
Doh lah
Doh soh
Doh fah
Doh me
Doh ray
Doh (bottom)Doh

This way you learn the intervals and how to recognise them aurally and with your voice and you recognise them by the quality and properties of the intervals. Counting them up is hard work. Sol-fa helps you to absorb the interval in your mind.
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post Aug 25 2012, 09:39 AM
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QUOTE(Rhoda @ Aug 25 2012, 10:07 AM) *

use the Tonic Sol-fa. It takes little time to teach, but the results are amazing (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


....just noticed you are a pupil, try and learn the Tonic Sol-fa if you can. Practice singing them like this:

Doh ray (2nd)
Doh me (3rd)
Doh fa (4th)
Doh soh (5th)
Doh lah (6th)
Doh te (7th)
Doh (top) Doh (octave)

And then back down the scale :

Doh te
Doh lah
Doh soh
Doh fah
Doh me
Doh ray
Doh (bottom)Doh

This way you learn the intervals and how to recognise them aurally and with your voice and you recognise them by the quality and properties of the intervals. Counting them up is hard work. Sol-fa helps you to absorb the interval in your mind.


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I would suggest that you sing, do-re, Major 2nd/do-mi, Major 3rd/do-fa, Perfect 4th and so on (the name of the interval being sung on the two notes).

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A knowledge of solfa is v. useful, I learnt it when singing in
a choir years ago.
As an adult violin/viola learner, when playing scales it is (fairly)
easy if you say do re me fa so la te do te la...do to yourself, you
automatically know where the semitones are.
There is a useful tune from "The King and I" to play:
"Do is doe a female deer
Re a ray of rising sun..."
etc.
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post Aug 26 2012, 09:57 PM
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QUOTE(jim palmer @ Aug 26 2012, 10:50 PM) *

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) (Rhoda @ Aug 25 2012, 10:07 AM)
A knowledge of solfa is v. useful, I learnt it when singing in
a choir years ago.
As an adult violin/viola learner, when playing scales it is (fairly)
easy if you say do re me fa so la te do te la...do to yourself, you
automatically know where the semitones are.


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There is a useful tune from "The King and I" to play:
"Do is doe a female deer
Re a ray of rising sun..."
etc.
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post Aug 26 2012, 10:28 PM
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QUOTE(Cyrilla @ Aug 26 2012, 10:57 PM) *
QUOTE(jim palmer @ Aug 26 2012, 10:50 PM) *

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) (Rhoda @ Aug 25 2012, 10:07 AM)
A knowledge of solfa is v. useful, I learnt it when singing in
a choir years ago.
As an adult violin/viola learner, when playing scales it is (fairly)
easy if you say do re me fa so la te do te la...do to yourself, you
automatically know where the semitones are.


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There is a useful tune from "The King and I" to play:
"Do is doe a female deer
Re a ray of rising sun..."
etc.
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