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> Ravel - Gaspard De La Nuit
thaicheow
post Jan 22 2006, 03:43 PM
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Hi, I am attempting Ravel's Gaspard de La Nuit, the Ondine.

Actually I am not quite click with ravel's composition, find his work mostly untunefull and fiendishly difficult. But my friend challenge me on this piece. After much study on the score, and listening to several recordings, I find that I have fallen into the idea of the story.

Anyone who can give any suggestion on what kind of facility/technique I need to acquired to play this piece well? What aspects to look forward to in Ravel's music? What makes his music great? Comparing him with other impressionist composers, like Debussy??

Thanks.
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IrisH - LoonY
post Jan 22 2006, 03:54 PM
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Some of the melodies he's written are simply divine! Like the 2nd movement of the Piano Concerto in G, the Ondine is another perfect example. I totally agree with you about his music being fiendish! It's almost unreadable at sight!
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Frederic Chopin
post Jan 22 2006, 04:13 PM
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You need a very good technique for Ravel - but technique is only a means to an end! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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IrisH - LoonY
post Jan 22 2006, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE(Frederic Chopin @ Jan 22 2006, 04:13 PM) *

You need a very good technique for Ravel - but technique is only a means to an end! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Including expressive technique!
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Semele
post Jan 22 2006, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE(IrisH - LoonY @ Jan 22 2006, 04:18 PM) *

QUOTE(Frederic Chopin @ Jan 22 2006, 04:13 PM) *

You need a very good technique for Ravel - but technique is only a means to an end! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Including expressive technique!


How's your Pour Le Piano getting on?
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IrisH - LoonY
post Jan 22 2006, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE(Semele @ Jan 22 2006, 04:20 PM) *

QUOTE(IrisH - LoonY @ Jan 22 2006, 04:18 PM) *

QUOTE(Frederic Chopin @ Jan 22 2006, 04:13 PM) *

You need a very good technique for Ravel - but technique is only a means to an end! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Including expressive technique!


How's your Pour Le Piano getting on?

Trying oh so hard to get my head around the 2nd page of the Sarabande >.< And the first 4 pages of the Prelude I think are gradually getting worse (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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Frederic Chopin
post Jan 22 2006, 05:56 PM
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QUOTE(IrisH - LoonY @ Jan 22 2006, 04:22 PM) *

QUOTE(Semele @ Jan 22 2006, 04:20 PM) *

How's your Pour Le Piano getting on?

Trying oh so hard to get my head around the 2nd page of the Sarabande >.< And the first 4 pages of the Prelude I think are gradually getting worse (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)


We talking Debussy here?!? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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IrisH - LoonY
post Jan 22 2006, 09:12 PM
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QUOTE(Frederic Chopin @ Jan 22 2006, 05:56 PM) *

QUOTE(IrisH - LoonY @ Jan 22 2006, 04:22 PM) *

QUOTE(Semele @ Jan 22 2006, 04:20 PM) *

How's your Pour Le Piano getting on?

Trying oh so hard to get my head around the 2nd page of the Sarabande >.< And the first 4 pages of the Prelude I think are gradually getting worse (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)


We talking Debussy here?!? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)


Yes, we were (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Frederic Chopin
post Jan 22 2006, 09:50 PM
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Debussy's Sarabande was on the ABRSM Advanced Certificate syllabus in the past...
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IrisH - LoonY
post Jan 22 2006, 09:53 PM
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Debussy's Sarabande was on the ABRSM Advanced Certificate syllabus in the past...

T'was? The Prelude is on the Trinity Advanced certificate syllabus, Sarabande was supposedly on the Grade 8 Syllabus once (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
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chocolatedog
post Jan 22 2006, 09:58 PM
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Yes it was - in the 1980's sometime - either 1983 or 1984 - can't quite remember when I did my grade 8 - I know it was 'cos I did it for my grade 8 exam!!
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IrisH - LoonY
post Jan 22 2006, 10:06 PM
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Yes it was - in the 1980's sometime - either 1983 or 1984 - can't quite remember when I did my grade 8 - I know it was 'cos I did it for my grade 8 exam!!

Ooooh, fun!
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sarah-flute
post Jan 23 2006, 12:04 AM
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Yes it was - in the 1980's sometime

I read that as "in the 1890s"..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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chopet
post Jan 23 2006, 12:15 AM
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Ravels music is very complex, virtuosic stuff. For ondine youd need good tremolo, youd need to be pretty good (very good....) with polyrythms (wikipedia article here might be of some use, dunno...), youd need very accurate pedaling, youd need to be able to play very fast (the first bar of the un peu plus lent section has something like 95 notes between both hands (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) ).
I think the dynamics are part of what makes this piece so fienishly difficult. Push your fingers down into the keys instead of striking them, this should help keep very close contact with the fingers to the keys and set the feel for the very soft touch. Um.... cant think of anything else right now.Its too late.

Heres a few links you might find useful....

http://www.russischeschule.com/Ravel.htm
http://members.aol.com/benedit3/bertrand.html#Ondine
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IrisH - LoonY
post Jan 23 2006, 12:15 AM
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QUOTE(chocolatedog @ Jan 22 2006, 09:58 PM) *

Yes it was - in the 1980's sometime

I read that as "in the 1890s"..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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