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> Ic, Iib, V7, I Cadence, Slightly random, but which songs/pieces have this?
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post Feb 5 2009, 07:52 AM
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Does anyone know any pieces or songs which have this type of perfect cadence? (sorry I meant Ic, iib, V7, I - not Iib!!) I'm on a hunt for them!! For my AS music coursework 'cd sleeve note' I have to write influences and similarities of my piece to other pieces - I'm thinking of commenting on this stock progression for part of it...

I thought my outro was like 'Country Gardens' at first, because I could hum the tune to it, but then it turns out to have a Ib IV V7 I cadence!!

Any idea's would be great, whilst I keep looking too!!

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post Feb 5 2009, 08:25 AM
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Might be worth looking at any Bach or Handel scores you have L. Got any Bach chorales? (ed - on second thoughts maybe not - I think he tended not to use Ic in that way). Maybe Haydn ...

The progression could equally be Ib, iib7, V7, I too - though I guess it needs to be exact ?? I'm sure you could perfectly well harmonise the ending of Country Gardens with your progression - there are bound to be varying arrangements of it.
Somehow I'm hearing the iib chord with an added tonic in my head.
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post Feb 5 2009, 08:37 AM
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QUOTE(maggiemay @ Feb 5 2009, 08:25 AM) *

Might be worth looking at any Bach or Handel scores you have L. Got any Bach chorales?

The progression could equally be Ib, iib7, V7, I too - though I guess it needs to be exact ?? I'm sure you could perfectly well harmonise the ending of Country Gardens with your progression - there are bound to be varying arrangements of it.
Somehow I'm hearing the iib chord with an added tonic in my head.


I don't have any Bach Chorales, no, but I do have a few other Bach and Handel pieces - I'll have a look for them, thanks!

That's very true about Country Gardens! I'll look into that too!

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post Feb 5 2009, 08:39 AM
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see edit on Bach chorales - second thoughts! will look in again when I've had my coffee ...
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post Feb 5 2009, 09:10 AM
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I thought my outro was like 'Country Gardens' at first, because I could hum the tune to it, but then it turns out to have a Ib IV V7 I cadence!!

Chords iib and IV are fairly interchangeable where a harmony with a subdominant function is required (just as vii can substitute for V to provide a dominant harmony, but with added colour).
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post Feb 5 2009, 09:27 AM
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I'm sure you could perfectly well harmonise the ending of Country Gardens with your progression - there are bound to be varying arrangements of it.



Yay, have just found a version of Country Gardens with a I - iib - V7 - I progression! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Feb 5 2009, 11:24 AM
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Check out a hymn book. Very common progression there.
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post Feb 5 2009, 11:32 AM
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QUOTE(sbhoa @ Feb 5 2009, 11:24 AM) *

Check out a hymn book. Very common progression there.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) i had that thought too - except I couldn't think of an example off the top of my head - the ones that came to mind seemed to be

Ib IIb V7 I
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post Feb 5 2009, 11:36 AM
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Totally unrelated, but I have musician friend with whom I communicate several times a week by email and we always sign off our messages with Ic-IIb-V7-I

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post Feb 5 2009, 12:29 PM
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QUOTE(AmandaL @ Feb 5 2009, 11:36 AM) *

Totally unrelated, but I have musician friend with whom I communicate several times a week by email and we always sign off our messages with Ic-IIb-V7-I

Why?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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post Feb 5 2009, 12:35 PM
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Perhaps the examiners would also be interested to learn what your stylistic musical influences actually were, rather than read a list of pieces totally unrelated in style that just happen to share this standard cadential formula? For instance, were you in any way influenced by Country Gardens or Bach Chorales when writing it?
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Totally unrelated, but I have musician friend with whom I communicate several times a week by email and we always sign off our messages with Ic-IIb-V7-I

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) That's excellent! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Feb 5 2009, 01:56 PM
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QUOTE(AmandaL @ Feb 5 2009, 11:36 AM) *

Totally unrelated, but I have musician friend with whom I communicate several times a week by email and we always sign off our messages with Ic-IIb-V7-I

Why?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Because it is a cadential sequence that is often used to mark the end of a piece of music - so why not use it to signal the end of a communication too.
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QUOTE(sbhoa @ Feb 5 2009, 11:24 AM) *

Check out a hymn book. Very common progression there.


Good idea! Will do, thanks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

QUOTE(AmandaL @ Feb 5 2009, 11:36 AM) *

Totally unrelated, but I have musician friend with whom I communicate several times a week by email and we always sign off our messages with Ic-IIb-V7-I


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) That's really cool!! Maybe 'be right back' on msn and other instant messengers could be 'I - V' or something??! That's not as good as yours though!!


QUOTE(HelenVJ @ Feb 5 2009, 12:35 PM) *

Perhaps the examiners would also be interested to learn what your stylistic musical influences actually were, rather than read a list of pieces totally unrelated in style that just happen to share this standard cadential formula? For instance, were you in any way influenced by Country Gardens or Bach Chorales when writing it?


Yes I know what you mean. No I wasn't influenced by Country Gardens or anything really - I wrote it because it was a progression that I knew would work. However I need to find something I can say was an influence otherwise I will get no marks for the question - I know it seems like I'm cheating the question, but I'm told that seeing as we have to state at least 17 influences to get full marks or near to, we're allowed to quote pieces that have similar elements, so long as we can show where they are and exactly how they relate.

I totally agree with what you're saying - it's just I don't want to lose marks just because my composition wasn't influenced by many other pieces!! Hope that makes sense (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

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post Feb 5 2009, 05:52 PM
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QUOTE(BerkshireMum @ Feb 5 2009, 12:29 PM) *
QUOTE(AmandaL @ Feb 5 2009, 11:36 AM) *
Totally unrelated, but I have musician friend with whom I communicate several times a week by email and we always sign off our messages with Ic-IIb-V7-I
Why?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
Because it does exactly what it says on the tin. It's a closing statement. Between two musicians, what better way to close a written communication than by using something musical.
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