When Do You Become A Pianist?

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When Do You Become A Pianist?

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TshepoM	Jul 17 2010, 07:56 AM Post #1
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 230 Joined: 4-June 07 From: Pretoria Member No.: 11805	i'm currently doing my grade 3 but i don't feel anything close to being a pianist, when does one become a pianist?

Czerny	Jul 17 2010, 08:20 AM Post #2
Virtuoso Group: Members Posts: 4090 Joined: 7-December 07 Member No.: 21097	Somewhere between Fur Elise and the Transcendental Etudes.

Alicia Ocean	Jul 17 2010, 08:55 AM Post #3
Virtuoso Group: Members Posts: 2359 Joined: 21-April 07 From: Teacher of Piano and Flute Member No.: 10842	I think it's when you can sightread comfortably things of greater than grade 5. I'm a Pianist (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

TshepoM	Jul 17 2010, 09:39 AM Post #4
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 230 Joined: 4-June 07 From: Pretoria Member No.: 11805	never heard of transcendental etudes i've learnt to play fur elise but it was a beginner version, i also attempted to learn moonlight sonata 1st mvt but the triplets on the left hand were doing my head in, so i stopped.

clavicembalo	Jul 17 2010, 09:45 AM Post #5
Virtuoso Group: Members Posts: 3701 Joined: 21-November 09 From: Cheltenham Member No.: 81873	QUOTE(TshepoM @ Jul 17 2010, 10:39 AM) never heard of transcendental etudes i've learnt to play fur elise but it was a beginner version, i also attempted to learn moonlight sonata 1st mvt but the triplets on the left hand were doing my head in, so i stopped. The Transcendental Etudes refer to Liszt, on a par with Chopin Etudes - the sort of pieces where Fur Elise would be played in the left hand alone whilst the RH would be similarly occupied! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I had to sightread a Scriabin Prelude yesterday, triplets and quintuplets to negotiate alonside the crotchets and quavers of 3/4. Nevertheless, it wouldn't even scratch the surface of one of the Transcendental Studies!

Invidia	Jul 17 2010, 10:05 AM Post #6
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 574 Joined: 29-June 07 From: London Member No.: 12564	Pianist- "a person who plays piano, esp. one who performs expertly or professionally" I didn't look into that too much, just took first definition I found, but that's how I see it. By professionally, I don't mean international concert/recording artist, I think the key word is more 'performs'. Basically someone who plays the piano in public. Doing grades has nothing to do with it, neither does difficulty of repertoire. Someone playing a grade 1 piece in a music festival is as much a pianist as a concert artist; on totally different levels in every musical aspect obviously, but still a 'pianist'. Conversely, someone with grade 8 piano who has never performed outside examinations is not a pianist. That is my view

Mad Tom	Jul 17 2010, 10:39 AM Post #7
Unregistered	QUOTE(TshepoM @ Jul 17 2010, 11:39 AM) i also attempted to learn moonlight sonata 1st mvt but the triplets on the left hand were doing my head in, so i stopped. No wonder it was "doing your head in". The triplets are for the right hand.

Solari	Jul 17 2010, 10:45 AM Post #8
Unregistered	QUOTE(Mad Tom @ Jul 17 2010, 11:39 AM) QUOTE(TshepoM @ Jul 17 2010, 11:39 AM) i also attempted to learn moonlight sonata 1st mvt but the triplets on the left hand were doing my head in, so i stopped. No wonder it was "doing your head in". The triplets are for the right hand. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) TshepoM - did you ask your teacher about it? They should have put you straight. If not, then you've just found that this is the danger of trying to learn stuff on your own (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I "learned" the whole piece (mostly off my own back), but teacher pointed out about a million things wrong with it.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rofl.gif) Must give things a lot more thought in future.

Panthera	Jul 19 2010, 10:52 AM Post #9
Prodigy Group: Members Posts: 1076 Joined: 4-April 08 From: London Member No.: 28188	For me, it's when you can play something you're pretty happy with and that won't hurt others' or your own ears. Just this morning my friend sent me recordings of me playing (a few weeks ago) on her old upright (so not a piano that would magically make me sound 10 times better (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)) Surprisingly, not only did I not cringe, but I actually quite enjoyed them (though of course I might be biased and should actually send other people copies and get some perspectives (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)). When listening to my own playing, I used to always hear the failings that made me feel like jumping off the balcony. Today for the first time, though, I actually found them decent enough that if anyone were to walk in, I would happily admit "yep that's me playing". So, I can now call myself a pianist, methinks. I'm a happy bunny (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

fsharpminor	Jul 19 2010, 10:57 AM Post #10
Maestro Group: Members Posts: 12255 Joined: 7-June 06 From: Wirral (originally Keighley, Yorks) Member No.: 7089	QUOTE(clavicembalo @ Jul 17 2010, 10:45 AM) I had to sightread a Scriabin Prelude yesterday, triplets and quintuplets to negotiate alonside the crotchets and quavers of 3/4. Nevertheless, it wouldn't even scratch the surface of one of the Transcendental Studies! Was that the 'pseudo' funeral march ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Back to thread, I'd have said I felt as though I was a pianist at about Grade 6, but if the level is that of the Transcendental Studies , I'd never be a pianist !

Roseau	Jul 19 2010, 11:02 AM Post #11
Virtuoso Group: Members Posts: 5792 Joined: 29-January 06 Member No.: 6007	When my daughter was about 8 she talked about being a "pianoist." I corrected her and said the word was "pianist" not "pianoist". To which she replied: "No, I'm a pianoist, pianists are people who can play complicated pieces."

TshepoM	Jul 19 2010, 02:20 PM Post #12
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 230 Joined: 4-June 07 From: Pretoria Member No.: 11805	QUOTE(Mad Tom @ Jul 17 2010, 12:39 PM) QUOTE(TshepoM @ Jul 17 2010, 11:39 AM) i also attempted to learn moonlight sonata 1st mvt but the triplets on the left hand were doing my head in, so i stopped. No wonder it was "doing your head in". The triplets are for the right hand. oh my bad the triplets are for the right hand! it's just that i haven't looked at the score in a long time

Mad Tom	Jul 19 2010, 02:27 PM Post #13
Unregistered	QUOTE(kerioboe @ Jul 19 2010, 01:02 PM) When my daughter was about 8 she talked about being a "pianoist." I corrected her and said the word was "pianist" not "pianoist". To which she replied: "No, I'm a pianoist, pianists are people who can play complicated pieces." Love it. As pianists are people that can play more difficult things than we can ourselves, we are all doomed to remain pianoists forever. But is is such a lovely term that I don't mind.

clavicembalo	Jul 19 2010, 02:40 PM Post #14
Virtuoso Group: Members Posts: 3701 Joined: 21-November 09 From: Cheltenham Member No.: 81873	QUOTE(fsharpminor @ Jul 19 2010, 11:57 AM) QUOTE(clavicembalo @ Jul 17 2010, 10:45 AM) I had to sightread a Scriabin Prelude yesterday, triplets and quintuplets to negotiate alonside the crotchets and quavers of 3/4. Nevertheless, it wouldn't even scratch the surface of one of the Transcendental Studies! Was that the 'pseudo' funeral march ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Apparently, Prelude Op.15/1 in A major.

TshepoM	Jul 19 2010, 02:57 PM Post #15
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 230 Joined: 4-June 07 From: Pretoria Member No.: 11805	QUOTE(Solari @ Jul 17 2010, 12:45 PM) QUOTE(Mad Tom @ Jul 17 2010, 11:39 AM) QUOTE(TshepoM @ Jul 17 2010, 11:39 AM) i also attempted to learn moonlight sonata 1st mvt but the triplets on the left hand were doing my head in, so i stopped. No wonder it was "doing your head in". The triplets are for the right hand. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) TshepoM - did you ask your teacher about it? They should have put you straight. If not, then you've just found that this is the danger of trying to learn stuff on your own (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I "learned" the whole piece (mostly off my own back), but teacher pointed out about a million things wrong with it.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rofl.gif) Must give things a lot more thought in future. no i never asked my teacher about it, i should have!

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