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> Bbc Play It Again, Last episode this evening
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post May 7 2007, 05:16 PM
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I've just noticed the final episode of Play it again with Bill Oddie is on this evening, for those interested

Sorry if this has already been posted but I've only just found out
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post May 7 2007, 05:19 PM
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I don't think I'll be watching this one. A) I don't like Bill Oddie and B) I hate the electric guitar, so I don't think it would be a good idea for me to watch it! Plus I have my german oral tomorrow. Arrgh!
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post May 7 2007, 05:36 PM
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Thanks for saying. Yes, I've just looked it up: 19.00 on BBC1. Normally I'd be working, so perhaps Bank Holidays aren't so bad!

I hope there is an odd Goodie song thrown in. There were some gems! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post May 8 2007, 08:07 AM
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I watched the episode last night. The only other one I saw was Robert Winston learning the sax, which I thoroughly enjoyed - however, I didn't really enjoy last night. I found that Bill Oddie was typical of the worst type of adult learner (not typical of the adult learner - but of the WORST type, before anyone gets at me!) - the person who 'just wants to play - but isn't interested in actually learning the instrument'.

He began to wind me up half way through, and by the time he decided to 'sack' his teacher I skipped through the rest on fast forward.

Pity.
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post May 8 2007, 08:09 AM
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Think the best one of the series was Diane Abbott's, followed very closely by Robert Winston's.

A very enjoyable series, let's hope the BBC commission a second series for next year. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post May 8 2007, 08:46 AM
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I really agree with Bing's comments - Bill Oddie annoyed me no end, I felt upset for the poor woman who was trying to teach him, he just wouldn't listen to her. I don't understand how anyone can be so arrogant. He was a beginner, and she had been playing the guitar for 30 years! I also thought his comments about the Royal Academy of Music were ridiculous, and very ironic that he was making these comments when he had studied at Cambridge (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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post May 8 2007, 08:46 AM
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QUOTE(Bing @ May 8 2007, 09:07 AM) *

I found that Bill Oddie was typical of the worst type of adult learner (not typical of the adult learner - but of the WORST type, before anyone gets at me!) - the person who 'just wants to play - but isn't interested in actually learning the instrument'.



Don't shoot me because I am not an electric guitar (or any guitar) player. But isn't that slightly the point of electric guitar. Obviously you can have lessons but for a large proportion of players it's a teach-it-to-yourself-then-play-with-some-mates kind of instrument. Your own feel for the type of music you are trying to produce together with your own creativity are more important than technique lessons.

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post May 8 2007, 08:58 AM
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QUOTE(earplugs @ May 8 2007, 09:46 AM) *

QUOTE(Bing @ May 8 2007, 09:07 AM) *

I found that Bill Oddie was typical of the worst type of adult learner (not typical of the adult learner - but of the WORST type, before anyone gets at me!) - the person who 'just wants to play - but isn't interested in actually learning the instrument'.



Don't shoot me because I am not an electric guitar (or any guitar) player. But isn't that slightly the point of electric guitar. Obviously you can have lessons but for a large proportion of players it's a teach-it-to-yourself-then-play-with-some-mates kind of instrument. Your own feel for the type of music you are trying to produce together with your own creativity are more important than technique lessons.


I don't disagree with you, however, the point of the programme was to learn rapidly, for a set performance. I felt that he wasted the opportunity that he was given - regular lessons with an excellent teacher for a short period of time.

It was his veneer of arrogance that wound me up - including his rather silly comments about the RAM. If he was so busy with work, and didn't want to have lessons, why did he agree to be in the programme? He could have just strummed away in private - which was obviously what he wanted to do.

That's why I was disappointed with the programme.
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post May 8 2007, 09:04 AM
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QUOTE(Chris H @ May 8 2007, 09:46 AM) *

I also thought his comments about the Royal Academy of Music were ridiculous

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) What a philistine!




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A person called a Philistine is said to despise or undervalue art, beauty, intellectual content, and/or spiritual values. Philistines are also said to favor forms of art that have a cheap and easy appeal.
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post May 8 2007, 09:24 AM
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I agree about the Bill Oddie comments - I don't think he came across very well at all. It struck me that the two people who 'sacked' their teachers were polar opposites in terms of learning style and that maybe Bill would have got on very well with the teaching approach of Frank Skinner's first banjo teacher. Equally I think Frank would have found the structure that Bill's teacher was trying to impose extremely valuable.

I've watched all the programmes and the two I've enjoyed most were Frank Skinner and Diane Abbott. Although I'm a sax player I was a little disappointed with the Robert Winston programme - he didn't really seem to have a passion for playing the sax (and I believe he's now switched to clarinet). The one I felt a bit cheated by was the Aled Jones programme. OK, so pop/rock drumming is a very different thing to classical singing, but even so Aled Jones is a music college graduate and that background has to make a difference whatever instrument you're learning. I think that showed in his final performance which, to my ears, was the most professional of the six.
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post May 8 2007, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE(Bing @ May 8 2007, 09:58 AM) *

I felt that he wasted the opportunity that he was given - regular lessons with an excellent teacher for a short period of time.



Yes, I guess I do agree with that. Afterall if he wanted to teach himself electric guitar in his bedroom he could have done that without the TV program - so why hasn't he before. He could also perhaps have persuaded his daughter to let him go on stage with her band.

Does rather smack of a publicity stunt by the two of them with her getting all the BBC's clout involved in inviting a high powered audience and having prime time TV audience opportunity.
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post May 8 2007, 03:41 PM
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well, I didn't watch it, but really wanted to - now you've made me feel glad that I didn't watch it!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post May 8 2007, 11:37 PM
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) with the negative comments. This was the worse programme of the series. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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post May 9 2007, 10:32 AM
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QUOTE(barry-clari @ May 8 2007, 09:09 AM) *

Think the best one of the series was Diane Abbott's, followed very closely by Robert Winston's.

I didn't see the Aled Jones one, but agree with that on the basis of the ones I saw.
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A very enjoyable series, let's hope the BBC commission a second series for next year. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I wasn't very comfortable with the idea of the Seriously High Profile performance at the end of six months. I hope Robert Winston will find a local orchestra or band at the right level to join and get regular social music-making. It was very interesting to see how the various teachers worked, and I thought Diane Abbott's in particular was a real star, exactly right for the situation.
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post May 9 2007, 12:55 PM
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QUOTE(Bing @ May 8 2007, 09:58 AM) *

It was his veneer of arrogance that wound me up - including his rather silly comments about the RAM.


I missed the programme and now I'm itching to know what Bill Oddie said about the RAM. Can someone tell me please enlighten me?
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