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> Grade 7 Theory Question
jennthesaxplayer
post Aug 13 2007, 03:34 PM
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ABRSM Grade 7 practice paper, 2006: Pg 16, Q5:

B) a lower auxiliary note played by a double-reed instrument that sometimes uses the tenor clef - double reed? never heard of it!

C) an imperfect cadence in C major - where is this!

D) a place where the violas have to play an open string - how can you tell the viola is meant to be playing in this way, from the score?

identify the chords marked * in bar 15... I got G minor, in Eb Major


E) three ways in which the composer creates a change of mood:
-Dynamics (p)
-Phrasing: use of the slurs
-Key change? Eb Major

F) Describe fully the numbered and bracketed harmonic intervals sounding at concert pitch - what does this mean??


Many thanks for your help in advanced!
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post Aug 13 2007, 03:38 PM
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Not got the paper but

D) You are looking for the lowest string on a viola.

F) it means name the interval by number and is it major/minor etc. (I'm guessing that this involves one transposing instrument).
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post Aug 13 2007, 03:46 PM
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Jenn, can I make a suggestion? Please don't take it the wrong way either (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif).

Do you think that perhaps you should stay away from the past papers just for now and work through some other workbooks and revise some general theory information? It just seems to me that from your many threads with grade 7 questions, regarding various different topics, that maybe doing past papers is a little beyond your reach at the moment. You won't be able to ask these questions in the exam!

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post Aug 13 2007, 03:52 PM
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B) A double reed is an instrument such as an oboe, which has 2 pieces of reed bound together to make the sound, rather than one reed and a mouth piece such as your saxophone.

By lucky coincidence the G7 paper I have is the same, so I'll have a look for the others for you - let me know if you need the answers! (I'll do my best but don't take it without question, I havn't got G7)
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post Aug 13 2007, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE(Scaramouche @ Aug 13 2007, 04:46 PM) *

Jenn, can I make a suggestion? Please don't take it the wrong way either (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif).

Do you think that perhaps you should stay away from the past papers just for now and work through some other workbooks and revise some general theory information? It just seems to me that from your many threads with grade 7 questions, regarding various different topics, that maybe doing past papers is a little beyond your reach at the moment. You won't be able to ask these questions in the exam!


Hey Scaramouche!

I do agree! I'm ordering the Harmony in Practice book to help me out. I cant wait to study it! It's the analyzing scores which I have most difficulty with. Figured bass, melody writing, plus reconstructing a score, are the things I am best at! The score analysis is worth half of the Grade 7 paper in itself, so I want to get it right (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) There are some good people on here that have really been helping me out, and thats why I keep coming back! I feel my analysis is improving because of it, and luckily I have started early in preperation!


* I see now, what I have to do with question (F)!
* I put bar 13 for the Viola using an open string technique
* Thanks Rosemary! ...two pieces of reed bound together rather than a mouthpiece - duh! Of course!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

Thanks to all of you for your helps! x x
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That's good then, I am just concerned that people telling you the answers is not actually going to help you. I don't want you to struggle on your own but I think there has to be a limit...
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post Aug 13 2007, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE(Scaramouche @ Aug 13 2007, 05:10 PM) *

That's good then, I am just concerned that people telling you the answers is not actually going to help you. I don't want you to struggle on your own but I think there has to be a limit...



It's because I am teaching myself. At the moment, I only have my Grade 7 paper + this forum to get me going on it. I didn't want to wait until September to get the ball rolling with a theory teacher again at Uni. It would be too late of a start in my view, with the exam in early November.
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Some of the questions on the scores are harmony questions which is using the knowledge you have for the first 3 questions in a different way.
I think the syllabus lists the chords you should know how to recognise and/or use.
It is useful to know the instruments of the orchestra (with their german, fremnch and itailian names), how they produce sound and some of the instrument specific performance directions.
It might help if you know the order in which instruments appear on an orchestral score.
When it comes to working out when a piece may have been written (and/or possible composer) you need to konw the main composers from each main era and knowing things like when instruments like the clarinet and trombone were first in common use can help here too.
You need to know which are transposing instruments and the direction and interval of transposition as well as which clefs they use. You have to be able to apply this when working out things like chords and intervals.

These are some of the things I remeber learning when I did the later theory grades.
My teacher used to spring tests on me with no warning on things like instrument names in other languages, transposition intervals and defining terms like 'homophonic' and 'contrapuntal'.

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post Aug 13 2007, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE(sbhoa @ Aug 13 2007, 05:17 PM) *

Some of the questions on the scores are harmony questions which is using the knowledge you have for the first 3 questions in a different way.
I think the syllabus lists the chords you should know how to recognise and/or use.
It is useful to know the instruments of the orchestra (with their german, fremnch and itailian names), how they produce sound and some of the instrument specific performance directions.
It might help if you know the order in which instruments appear on an orchestral score.
When it comes to working out when a piece may have been written (and/or possible composer) you need to konw the main composers from each main era and knowing things like when instruments like the clarinet and trombone were first in common use can help here too.
You need to know which are transposing instruments and the direction and interval of transposition as well as which clefs they use. You have to be able to apply this when working out things like chords and intervals.

These are some of the things I remeber learning when I did the later theory grades.
My teacher used to spring tests on me with no warning on things like instrument names in other languages, transposition intervals and defining terms like 'homophonic' and 'contrapuntal'.



Thanks Sbhoa!

Is the syllabus of G7 on the net? Have you got a link to it at all?
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Grade 7 syllabus
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QUOTE(jennthesaxplayer @ Aug 13 2007, 05:17 PM) *

QUOTE(Scaramouche @ Aug 13 2007, 05:10 PM) *

That's good then, I am just concerned that people telling you the answers is not actually going to help you. I don't want you to struggle on your own but I think there has to be a limit...

It's because I am teaching myself. At the moment, I only have my Grade 7 paper + this forum to get me going on it. I didn't want to wait until September to get the ball rolling with a theory teacher again at Uni. It would be too late of a start in my view, with the exam in early November.


It's ok if you're teaching yourself and want advice, but I think there is a lot to be said for not jumping in straight with past papers, and sticking to other stuff first. Then you may find when you come to do a past paper that you know most of it and only a few things need tweaking. As it stands, you've not done that, so I just don't get a good impression when lots of the questions are answered on here. Some members have worked through them and explained things which is better than you just being given the answers straight off.

Do you have to do the exam in November? Why not wait until March and have plenty of time with a theory teacher and you'll fully understand everything then.
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QUOTE(Scaramouche @ Aug 13 2007, 05:46 PM) *

QUOTE(jennthesaxplayer @ Aug 13 2007, 05:17 PM) *

QUOTE(Scaramouche @ Aug 13 2007, 05:10 PM) *

That's good then, I am just concerned that people telling you the answers is not actually going to help you. I don't want you to struggle on your own but I think there has to be a limit...

It's because I am teaching myself. At the moment, I only have my Grade 7 paper + this forum to get me going on it. I didn't want to wait until September to get the ball rolling with a theory teacher again at Uni. It would be too late of a start in my view, with the exam in early November.


It's ok if you're teaching yourself and want advice, but I think there is a lot to be said for not jumping in straight with past papers, and sticking to other stuff first. Then you may find when you come to do a past paper that you know most of it and only a few things need tweaking. As it stands, you've not done that, so I just don't get a good impression when lots of the questions are answered on here. Some members have worked through them and explained things which is better than you just being given the answers straight off.

Do you have to do the exam in November? Why not wait until March and have plenty of time with a theory teacher and you'll fully understand everything then.



On the other hand, its good to see where you have gone wrong and where you are correct. By getting the answer, I can see how others have worked it out which helps.
I feel I'm half-way with it. I have good knowledge of melody writing, figured bass etc. from studying Grade 6 as I mentioned before. I have strong points, and of course weaker ones! November is my target, and I am committed. I've learnt alot by looking at theory papers, and I know what is expected of me. I know that analysis is my weaker area at this point, so I'm getting help with that from the forum, and the new Harmony book etc. If I hadn't of looked and tried at the past paper, I wouldn't of known what I need to be working on right now. I still have 85 days to reach the level which I am expected to be at. I can do it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Thanks for your advice Scaramouche x x
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Go for it Jenn (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) It looks like you're the opposite of me - I can do the analysis but my melody/harmony writing is hopeless!
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post Aug 13 2007, 05:58 PM
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QUOTE(Rosemary7391 @ Aug 13 2007, 06:49 PM) *

Go for it Jenn (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) It looks like you're the opposite of me - I can do the analysis but my melody/harmony writing is hopeless!



Thanks Rosemary! Are you looking to take Grade 7 in November too?x x
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No, I'm working through it with the intention of taking G8 'sometime' hopefully before I leave school... And because I like theory, and because it'll help with A level music next year. Plenty of good reasons to keep on doing theory (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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