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#1 chris13

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 10:37

Bit of a shock( aw blumin eck were my exact words) when I came indoors after doing some gardening. I guess the PM wants a larger majority but she may not be so lucky. Will this see the end of Corbyn ?


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 10:48

Well, what a turn up!  The comments (from, e.g. Nicola Sturgeon) about the PM's lack of a mandate obviously hit home.


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 11:30

That certainly is unexpected. I worked for a political party for part of 2016 and we thought there would be a general election in November which never happened, all we got were 3 by-elections. Although I don't work for that party any more I do hope they can get back some of the seats they lost in 2015.


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 11:43

Rather a master-stroke, I thought. Certainly too soon for HM loyal opposition to sort out some sort of game plan.
Interesting times we live in
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Posted 18 April 2017 - 12:07

I think we may see some disenchanted Labour supporters move back to the Liberals.  But I do think Mrs May wil get an increased majority


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 12:35

Are 2/3 of the current MP's going to support it though? The average Labour MP might not want one for fear of losing their seat; SNP might not again achieve what they did last time; Eurosceptic Tories might not want May's hand strengthening; NI have only just had another election (though I'm not quite sure what that means for NI). Cui bono??? ...May, solo.


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 18:53

rather clever. if she wins, she's mandated to do whatever she wants, so it doesn't matter if brexit is a disaster. If she loses, it's someone else's disaster to manage. The only (and huge) downside is Scotland. If the SNP do very well (and why shouldn't they?) then it will be very hard to avoid a referendum on  Scottish independence  before Brexit. She's playing off her own security against the collapse of the UK.


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 19:59

rather clever. if she wins, she's mandated to do whatever she wants, so it doesn't matter if brexit is a disaster. If she loses, it's someone else's disaster to manage. The only (and huge) downside is Scotland. If the SNP do very well (and why shouldn't they?) then it will be very hard to avoid a referendum on  Scottish independence  before Brexit. She's playing off her own security against the collapse of the UK.

I can't see her not winning. The only way is if all Labour supporters decide for the sake of unity - because they will certainly lose if there isn't unity - to get behind Mr Corbyn whether they like it or not. Failing that, as f#minor says, turning back to the LibDems and hoping they will be able to form a coalition (though will the LDs decide once bitten that way was more than enough?)


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 20:24

Yes, that's the other clever bit: calling an election at very short notice when the only opposition is your own right-wing back-benchers. As someone wrote, we live in interesting times.


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 21:10

Frustrated that own and OH's  vote in these things really feels a purely symbolic gesture our from particular little corner of England. An important gesture to make but, still, a gesture.


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 22:29

I can't give my opinion of Mrs May and her machinations as the censor would never let it through. However most of you will know how I feel about the Brexit so I'll leave you to guess.


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#12 chris13

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 08:34

When I started this thread yesterday morning it was with some amusement and perhaps slight irritation. This morning I am feeling more angry. We have only just started the Brexit process and already in a mess. What sort of mess will the country be in two years hence ? Incompetence from beginning to end ?


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 10:42

I don't think we are in a mess. No more so than we have ever been, anyway. At least it will be a mess over which we have agency. I'm far more concerned over other world affairs and the posturing and brinkmanship being displayed there.

Thank goodness, at least, there will be no televised debates between the political leaders.


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 13:14

Must confess that I always enjoy a GE. I will stay up half the might watching the results come in. And it's amusing in a black, wicked way to see the pollsters and pundits get it all wrong, though I'm not so sure about that this time.

I don't understand why people are slating TM for changing her mind. Politicians have so often been slated for NOt changing their minds. Obviously she wants her own mandate, and if Labour are in disarray it's their own fault for choosing a poor leader followed by a joke. As someone said on another forum, JC makes you think of the Trot student activists outside the union in the 70s, trying to flog you Socialist Worker, or dishing out Marxist Soc leaflets. I once got into trouble with my folks after my mother found a Marxist Soc leaflet in the pocket of a coat she'd borrowed. They wouldn't believe that it was something I'd had thrust at me and hadn't even read - I'd been 'got at'.
I suppose it didn't help that I was reading Russian when we were still very much in the Cold War...
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#15 chris13

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 13:48

Must confess that I always enjoy a GE. I will stay up half the might watching the results come in. And it's amusing in a black, wicked way to see the pollsters and pundits get it all wrong, though I'm not so sure about that this time.

I don't understand why people are slating TM for changing her mind. Politicians have so often been slated for NOt changing their minds. Obviously she wants her own mandate, and if Labour are in disarray it's their own fault for choosing a poor leader followed by a joke. As someone said on another forum, JC makes you think of the Trot student activists outside the union in the 70s, trying to flog you Socialist Worker, or dishing out Marxist Soc leaflets. I once got into trouble with my folks after my mother found a Marxist Soc leaflet in the pocket of a coat she'd borrowed. They wouldn't believe that it was something I'd had thrust at me and hadn't even read - I'd been 'got at'.
I suppose it didn't help that I was reading Russian when we were still very much in the Cold War...

The reference to the union front door made me smile and I agree with the view of the previous and present Labour leadership. I am not inspired by the whole of the Labour front bench and just hope a good candidate comes forward from the Labour back benches during the election campaign (but not any of the previous candidates thank you very much).

 

My frustration has arisen because the government have had more than six months to prepare for Brexit, they trigger Article 50 and within two or three weeks decide that Parliamentary representation is not satisfactory to implement our departure. What confidence does that give us that a reasonable Brexit deal can be negotiated in two years ?

 

I know I can be a pessimistic little --------.


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