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Swell Box	May 15 2009, 04:34 PM Post #16
Virtuoso Group: Members Posts: 2381 Joined: 27-January 09 From: The Land of Harrison & Harrison Member No.: 53694	QUOTE(Holz Gedeckt @ May 15 2009, 05:26 PM) QUOTE(Swell Box @ May 15 2009, 04:46 PM) I also know from my own experience that many PCCs are afraid to raise concerns about playing in case the organist should down tools and walk out. Yes, I understand from the incumbent of the churches in the case that I mentioned, that this was indeed the situation at his two churches where this 'orrible organist served. However, the incumbent himself was understandably quite keen about the possibility of this particular organist downing tools and walking out.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) We have been trying for years, but our resident organist knows he is on to a good thing! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) SB

stopperman	May 18 2009, 12:52 AM Post #17
Member Group: Members Posts: 87 Joined: 11-October 07 From: County Durham (south) Member No.: 17754	I also know from my own experience that many PCCs are afraid to raise concerns about playing in case the organist should down tools and walk out. [/quote] Yes, I understand from the incumbent of the churches in the case that I mentioned, that this was indeed the situation at his two churches where this 'orrible organist served. However, the incumbent himself was understandably quite keen about the possibility of this particular organist downing tools and walking out.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) We have been trying for years, but our resident organist knows he is on to a good thing! SB Ouch !! You do realise of course that every parish organist in County Durham , including yours truly, is now wondering ......... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Chris Baker - Durham UK Job : "Why me O Lord, why me" God : "Oh I don't know Job, there's just something about you that really tisses me off"

Swell Box	May 18 2009, 09:18 AM Post #18
Virtuoso Group: Members Posts: 2381 Joined: 27-January 09 From: The Land of Harrison & Harrison Member No.: 53694	[quote name='stopperman' date='May 18 2009, 01:52 AM' post='827414'] I also know from my own experience that many PCCs are afraid to raise concerns about playing in case the organist should down tools and walk out. [/quote] Yes, I understand from the incumbent of the churches in the case that I mentioned, that this was indeed the situation at his two churches where this 'orrible organist served. However, the incumbent himself was understandably quite keen about the possibility of this particular organist downing tools and walking out.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) We have been trying for years, but our resident organist knows he is on to a good thing! SB Ouch !! You do realise of course that every parish organist in County Durham , including yours truly, is now wondering ......... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Chris Baker - Durham UK Job : "Why me O Lord, why me" God : "Oh I don't know Job, there's just something about you that really tisses me off" [/quote] Who says Co. Durham Chris? And why only one Organist? There could be several (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Don't worry, it is a private joke and and we understand each other really. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) SB

rovikered	May 18 2009, 09:48 AM Post #19
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 390 Joined: 25-February 09 Member No.: 57076	QUOTE(Vox Humana @ May 15 2009, 04:46 PM) QUOTE(Holz Gedeckt @ May 15 2009, 03:48 PM) Is it fair that they have to pay him for his absence, or otherwise put up with him mangling the music at their wedding? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Interesting point. If I buy a product from a shop and it is not fit for the purpose for which it was sold, I can demand redress. If you pay an electrician, say, to do a job and it is not done properly, again you have rights. But what if you pay for an organist and don't get a decent standard of performance? As far as I'm aware you just have to put up with it. Anyway, how would you draw the line between what is acceptable and unacceptable? Surely the minimum expectation that the right notes are played is not unreasonable ?!

Swell Box	May 18 2009, 09:57 AM Post #20
Virtuoso Group: Members Posts: 2381 Joined: 27-January 09 From: The Land of Harrison & Harrison Member No.: 53694	QUOTE(rovikered @ May 18 2009, 10:48 AM) QUOTE(Vox Humana @ May 15 2009, 04:46 PM) QUOTE(Holz Gedeckt @ May 15 2009, 03:48 PM) Is it fair that they have to pay him for his absence, or otherwise put up with him mangling the music at their wedding? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Interesting point. If I buy a product from a shop and it is not fit for the purpose for which it was sold, I can demand redress. If you pay an electrician, say, to do a job and it is not done properly, again you have rights. But what if you pay for an organist and don't get a decent standard of performance? As far as I'm aware you just have to put up with it. Anyway, how would you draw the line between what is acceptable and unacceptable? Surely the minimum expectation that the right notes are played is not unreasonable ?! And at the right time? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) SB

Vox Humana	May 18 2009, 10:14 AM Post #21
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 763 Joined: 9-March 09 Member No.: 58391	QUOTE(rovikered @ May 18 2009, 10:48 AM) QUOTE(Vox Humana @ May 15 2009, 04:46 PM) QUOTE(Holz Gedeckt @ May 15 2009, 03:48 PM) Is it fair that they have to pay him for his absence, or otherwise put up with him mangling the music at their wedding? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Interesting point. If I buy a product from a shop and it is not fit for the purpose for which it was sold, I can demand redress. If you pay an electrician, say, to do a job and it is not done properly, again you have rights. But what if you pay for an organist and don't get a decent standard of performance? As far as I'm aware you just have to put up with it. Anyway, how would you draw the line between what is acceptable and unacceptable? Surely the minimum expectation that the right notes are played is not unreasonable ?! How many right notes? Do you never make a mistake? Do you hand your fee back when you do?

stopperman	May 18 2009, 10:16 AM Post #22
Member Group: Members Posts: 87 Joined: 11-October 07 From: County Durham (south) Member No.: 17754	Surely the minimum expectation that the right notes are played is not unreasonable ?! And at the right time? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Oh come on! Now you're just being picky. What's next? Giving the congregation time to breathe? I tell you now, once you start down that route, they'll be expecting it all the time. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/muahaha.gif) Chris Baker - Durham UK

Swell Box	May 18 2009, 10:51 AM Post #23
Virtuoso Group: Members Posts: 2381 Joined: 27-January 09 From: The Land of Harrison & Harrison Member No.: 53694	QUOTE(stopperman @ May 18 2009, 11:16 AM) Surely the minimum expectation that the right notes are played is not unreasonable ?! And at the right time? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Oh come on! Now you're just being picky. What's next? Giving the congregation time to breathe? I tell you now, once you start down that route, they'll be expecting it all the time. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/muahaha.gif) Chris Baker - Durham UK Ah well, we have a lady in the choir, (the wife of a former Mayor don't you know?), who voices her disapproval by slamming down her (A&M) hymnbook if she feels that a hymn was not played correctly, or if she just didn't like the hymn. Just her opinion of course. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) When Junior was deputising a few weeks ago we took bets on which hymns she would slam her hymnbook down for, and after three weeks we got it right almost every time. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) SB

Holz Gedeckt	May 18 2009, 01:46 PM Post #24
Virtuoso Group: Members Posts: 3656 Joined: 29-May 07 Member No.: 11674	QUOTE(Swell Box @ May 18 2009, 10:57 AM) QUOTE(rovikered @ May 18 2009, 10:48 AM) QUOTE(Vox Humana @ May 15 2009, 04:46 PM) QUOTE(Holz Gedeckt @ May 15 2009, 03:48 PM) Is it fair that they have to pay him for his absence, or otherwise put up with him mangling the music at their wedding? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Interesting point. If I buy a product from a shop and it is not fit for the purpose for which it was sold, I can demand redress. If you pay an electrician, say, to do a job and it is not done properly, again you have rights. But what if you pay for an organist and don't get a decent standard of performance? As far as I'm aware you just have to put up with it. Anyway, how would you draw the line between what is acceptable and unacceptable? Surely the minimum expectation that the right notes are played is not unreasonable ?! And at the right time? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) SB Yup, but not necessarily in the right order! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (With apologies to Eric Morecambe.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif))

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