Deliberate mistakes & sim/diffs, Are these subjects in the AB practise books? Options

[Superpianoman]

Hi there....

I have a pupil just starting Grade 3 piano, and early next year he will be starting on grade 3 theory - just waiting for his Grade 2 theory result to come through.

I haven't taught the grade 3 theory for about a year now (some pupils miss it out), and I noticed that in some of the exam papers was a question "Find 5 deliberate mistakes in this tune" (words to that effect) .... so there may be an error in the time signature (numbers swapped over), or an accidental placed on the wrong line or space, note stems too short.... that sort of thing. Although this seems to be a 'newish' question in the exam papers, I haven't yet seen it appear in the AB Music Theory in Practise book - Grade 3.... nor are there any examples anywhere. I have created some myself on Sibelius (or ScoreWriter).... and my pupils enjoy doing them.... but should they not be now as part of the AB theory practise book?

Same question also regarding "Similarities & Differences" - spotting changes in the melody, rhythm, dynamics etc for a Grade 5 extract of music...... plenty shown in the theory papers, but none in the practise book?

Any views welcome.....

[jm-hamilton]

I don't recognise any of this as being Associated Board theory at any grade and haven't seen any example papers with this kind of question. If it is a new introduction to the theory exams then it's happened very recently and yes it should be in the theory books. I haven't noticed any changes to the syllabus either and a quick check now doesn't mention anything different. Are you sure this is AB or another board?

[Sunrise]

I don't recognise any of this as being Associated Board theory at any grade and haven't seen any example papers with this kind of question. If it is a new introduction to the theory exams then it's happened very recently and yes it should be in the theory books. I haven't noticed any changes to the syllabus either and a quick check now doesn't mention anything different. Are you sure this is AB or another board?

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I haven't heard of any of this either.

[Misterioso]

I haven't taught the grade 3 theory for about a year now (some pupils miss it out), and I noticed that in some of the exam papers was a question "Find 5 deliberate mistakes in this tune" (words to that effect) .... so there may be an error in the time signature (numbers swapped over), or an accidental placed on the wrong line or space, note stems too short.... that sort of thing.

Same question also regarding "Similarities & Differences" - spotting changes in the melody, rhythm, dynamics etc for a Grade 5 extract of music...... plenty shown in the theory papers, but none in the practise book?

Any views welcome.....

I gave a Grade 3 candidate some (recent) past papers, and one had a question that required 5 deliberate mistakes to be found. It was definitely Associated Board, as I don't enter anyone for theory exams with any other board. I have also seen questions relating to similarities and differences at various grades, but (as far as I recall) I think this is in the MTIP books in the general questions section at the end (eg "state one similarity and one difference in bars x - x"). If I get time later, I will see if I can dig out anything so that I can be a bit more specific.

[dolce@piano]

Yes, I've just got my old papers out and in the ABRSM 2008 G3 paper, for instance, question 5 of the B paper says
"The following passage from a piece by Haydn contains five deliberate mistakes, Rewrite it correctly on the given stave".

There isn't the same question in any of the other three papers given.

In my Grade 4 ABRSM 2008 papers there is also the same question (re albeniz), again question 5 of the B paper.

[Clari Nicki1]

Yes, I've just got my old papers out and in the ABRSM 2008 G3 paper, for instance, question 5 of the B paper says
"The following passage from a piece by Haydn contains five deliberate mistakes, Rewrite it correctly on the given stave".

There isn't the same question in any of the other three papers given.

In my Grade 4 ABRSM 2008 papers there is also the same question (re albeniz), again question 5 of the B paper.

It comes under 'Beaming Rule' stuff.... I've seen them in the papers. They aren't that hard usually and the pupils like these questions!

[jm-hamilton]

Ooh yes!! I've just dug out a 2010 past paper for Grade 3 and found a deliberate error question. Have to say it's the first time I've seen one. My pupils don't do any theory exams before Grade 5, and I only ask them to do one past paper when they've finished the theory book, so I've missed this question completely. Sorry to OP for doubting he'd got the exam board right.

This is covered by the theory books - the stuff in the 2010 past paper I'm looking at I think is all covered in Grade 1 MTIP.

[Superpianoman]

Thanks for all your replies guys.

Its not a major issue, and of course it's easy to teach the deliberate mistakes questions, however - maybe there is a structure to follow for the similarities & differences or a particular way to 'word' the answers, as I've found some of my students miss the main point of the exercise. I can't see any examples in any of the MTIP books (general exercises)..... and just wondered if anyone had recently discovered added notes in a new revision of an AB book?

Obviously not every single little thing will be updated - and I'm aware that some of the deliberate mistakes are related to beaming/ grouping of notes & rests, which are covered also in earlier grades. However, if anyone comes across any specific exercises like these in the MTIP books - give me a shout.

Thanx

[Martin.Walters]

All I can think of, ~ if the student knows what would be right, then finding what is wrong should be easy in that respect ~ Studying the AB book, I have seen examples on how to do things and examples of things that shouldn't be done ~ primarily with notation & rests.

Surely a great way for students to study music line by line, whether for theoretical knowledge, or, to get a rough just on how the piece is to be played.