Banges Herzgelein

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Banges Herzgelein, too hard for grade 1?

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maggiemay	Mar 13 2007, 08:51 AM Post #16
Maestro Group: Members Posts: 18061 Joined: 12-January 04 From: S E England Member No.: 413	QUOTE(Steve M @ Mar 12 2007, 11:34 PM) Anyway, how do you pronounce "Robert Fuchs" without giggles all round? I never actually say "Fanny Waterman" in full either. Surprised she hasn't changed it. Good job we have nothing to play by Samuel Scheidt! I've quoted it before but I'll stick my neck out and quote it again --- a year or two back, on a radio 3 new releases programme, the presenter was playing some new cds of Samuel S and his contemporaries - he recommended one new cd with the immortal words "a whole hour of Scheidt " - pause " I think I'm allowed to say that at 9.15 on a Saturday morning " . (sorry - back to the topic!)

sonataform	Mar 13 2007, 12:59 PM Post #17
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 637 Joined: 1-November 06 From: Argyll, Scotland Member No.: 8133	QUOTE(Steve M @ Mar 12 2007, 11:34 PM) Anyway, how do you pronounce "Robert Fuchs" without giggles all round? I never actually say "Fanny Waterman" in full either. Surprised she hasn't changed it. Good job we have nothing to play by Samuel Scheidt! Foochs ("ch" as in "loch"). But there is no way round Scheidt except to say, as the conductor of a school orchestra once did when announcing one of the great man's works, "we are now going to play a piece written by the composer whose name appears in the programme". I don't have the Grade 1 book - what is it about Banges Hergelein that's causing so much angst? PS If I were Fanny Waterman I would be scornful of any suggestion that I should change my name just because people giggled. (Similarly, if I were called Richard but used the diminutive of that name beginning with D, I would be cursing these forums for not letting me use it without it being replaced by a row of hash marks.) But of course I'm not Fanny Waterman. Or AM I? * * No.

Steve M	Mar 13 2007, 06:19 PM Post #18
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 118 Joined: 7-May 05 From: North - East Somerset Member No.: 3633	Surely her real name's Frances. Just played through Banges Herzelein, it's rather lovely isn't it? Maybe the Andante would be an easier choice, I agree, if you needed one.

sarah-flute	Mar 13 2007, 06:36 PM Post #19
Maestro Group: Members Posts: 25735 Joined: 14-December 04 From: Insomniaville Member No.: 2729	Irrelevant I realise, but what does "Banges Herzgelein" mean?

maggiemay	Mar 13 2007, 07:07 PM Post #20
Maestro Group: Members Posts: 18061 Joined: 12-January 04 From: S E England Member No.: 413	QUOTE(sarah-flute @ Mar 13 2007, 06:36 PM) Irrelevant I realise, but what does "Banges Herzgelein" mean? it's translated in the book as "sad at heart" actually, in case anyone's tempted to look it up, it's herzelein, without the g

sarah-flute	Mar 13 2007, 07:38 PM Post #21
Maestro Group: Members Posts: 25735 Joined: 14-December 04 From: Insomniaville Member No.: 2729	Ahhh thanks maggiemay (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

maggiemay	Mar 13 2007, 11:19 PM Post #22
Maestro Group: Members Posts: 18061 Joined: 12-January 04 From: S E England Member No.: 413	(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) my big fat (actually my OH's) German dictionary defines bang(e) as afraid, alarmed, timid, anxious, uneasy. Is herzelein a diminutive of herz? that's what I thought, and I can't find a separate entry so guess it might be correct.

jon.adkins	Mar 14 2007, 03:35 PM Post #23
Member Group: Members Posts: 79 Joined: 21-January 04 Member No.: 477	A nice piece among a fairly uninspiring bunch. A couple of my pupils have been attracted to it by it's resemblance to the ubiquitous Fur Elise... Whilst it is at the difficult end of grade one, I wouldn't have said it was too difficult. Provided the pupil can manage some of the stretches, the timing is the most difficult aspect.

HelenVJ	Mar 14 2007, 06:08 PM Post #24
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 947 Joined: 3-May 04 Member No.: 1265	Most of my younger students certainly felt 'sad at heart' after hearing the Grade 1 selection. For adults, I think there is much to enjoy. For an average 8/9 year old? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

dacapo	Mar 14 2007, 06:25 PM Post #25
Prodigy Group: Members Posts: 1857 Joined: 19-January 04 From: West Berkshire Member No.: 465	QUOTE(maggiemay @ Mar 13 2007, 11:19 PM) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) my big fat (actually my OH's) German dictionary defines bang(e) as afraid, alarmed, timid, anxious, uneasy. Is herzelein a diminutive of herz? that's what I thought, and I can't find a separate entry so guess it might be correct. Yes, I think a more accurate if less poetic translation would be "timid (or frightened) little heart".

jojo	Mar 28 2007, 06:19 AM Post #26
Virtuoso Group: Members Posts: 5192 Joined: 18-December 06 From: Member No.: 8716	QUOTE(Suepea @ Mar 7 2007, 11:30 PM) I think you need to teach this piece hands together from the start, even if you do it very slowly, counting 1 and 2 and 3 and all the time - it makes more musical sense as as the pattern goes from hand to hand and you can place the first beat in the bar more easily. Play it to her yourself at each lesson so that she gets the feel of it. Personally I feel that The Industrious Student is hard for grade 1 - the sudden switch to Alberti bass in an awkward pattern is difficult to bring off well. I am currently learning all the pieces in grade one book (except Moebius which I cannot get to like ONE BIT). I am finding Banges Herzelein the most difficult one out of the book. I found cuckoo clock the easiest and I must say that I found the industrious student fairly easy too, not as easy as cuckoo clock but not far from I also rather enjoy it and along mini rag I think it is my fav out of the book.

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