Chopin Conclusion, Regarding Etudes Options

[IrisH - LoonY]

I've come to the conclusion about the Etudes Op.10 and Op.25
Easiest Etude - Op.25 No.2 in F minor
Hardest Etude - Close call between Op.10 No.3 in E, Op.25 No.6 in G# minor and No.10 in B minor.

That's just MY personal opinion mind you, I could be wrong.

What do you think??

IrisH - LoonY

P.S. I'm not going anywhere near these ghastly pieces....yet :P !

[noodle]

P.S. I'm not going anywhere near these ghastly pieces....yet :P !

So how can you tell whether they are easy or hard?

[IrisH - LoonY]

P.S. I'm not going anywhere near these ghastly pieces....yet :P !

So how can you tell whether they are easy or hard?

By looking at the music and trying little snippets for fun...that's how :D

What I mean is by not going near them is even making any effort at all to learn them! I'll probably play through a few bars of a few of them for fun when I'm bored or whatever...

IrisH - LoonY

[sl123451]

P.S. I'm not going anywhere near these ghastly pieces....yet :P !

So how can you tell whether they are easy or hard?

By looking at the music and trying little snippets for fun...that's how :D

What I mean is by not going near them is even making any effort at all to learn them! I'll probably play through a few bars of a few of them for fun when I'm bored or whatever...

IrisH - LoonY

thats no way to be able to tell anything about a piece.

Clearly somebody on say, grade 5 pass cough 112 standard :rolleyes:

[Trebor]

The difficulty of a piece is not just defined by the notes you have to play <_<

[Semele]

Hey Loony

Have you pondered on playing Liszt's Complete Etudes incl the Transcendental Etudes? *she says dabbling Penhaligon's Opus 1870 behind her ears*.

[sl123451]

The difficulty of a piece is not just defined by the notes you have to play  <_<

exactly... you need to know the notes and have a considerable musical understanding of the piece. It probably helps if you have let the piece go and refreshed it a few times and performed it as well. You cannever tell the difficulty of a piece until you have performed it..deffo not

[IrisH - LoonY]

The difficulty of a piece is not just defined by the notes you have to play  <_<

exactly... you need to know the notes and have a considerable musical understanding of the piece. It probably helps if you have let the piece go and refreshed it a few times and performed it as well. You cannever tell the difficulty of a piece until you have performed it..deffo not

Well obviously you have to get the technique "perfected" before even CONSIDERING bringing out the emotional side of things...

...What I'm getting at as being "easiet" and "difficult" is by its technicality. E.g. 6 pages of minor 3rds chromatically up and down the piano at a fast speed in G# minor is no easy task!

IrisH - LoonY

[Dangermouse]

[/quote]
...What I'm getting at as being "easiet" and "difficult" is by its technicality. E.g. 6 pages of minor 3rds chromatically up and down the piano at a fast speed in G# minor is no easy task!

IrisH - LoonY

[/quote]

Em. well, actually, it is one of the easier etudes. The E major is one of the simplest (after the Eb minor one) etudes to play for notes but you have to make it really squawk...I mean sing.

[sl123451]

The difficulty of a piece is not just defined by the notes you have to play  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

exactly... you need to know the notes and have a considerable musical understanding of the piece. It probably helps if you have let the piece go and refreshed it a few times and performed it as well. You cannever tell the difficulty of a piece until you have performed it..deffo not

Well obviously you have to get the technique "perfected" before even CONSIDERING bringing out the emotional side of things...

...What I'm getting at as being "easiet" and "difficult" is by its technicality. E.g. 6 pages of minor 3rds chromatically up and down the piano at a fast speed in G# minor is no easy task!

IrisH - LoonY

well maybe someone else finds that easier

[SteveHopwood]

The difficulty of a piece is not just defined by the notes you have to play (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

exactly... you need to know the notes and have a considerable musical understanding of the piece. It probably helps if you have let the piece go and refreshed it a few times and performed it as well. You cannever tell the difficulty of a piece until you have performed it..deffo not

Well obviously you have to get the technique "perfected" before even CONSIDERING bringing out the emotional side of things...

...What I'm getting at as being "easiet" and "difficult" is by its technicality. E.g. 6 pages of minor 3rds chromatically up and down the piano at a fast speed in G# minor is no easy task!

IrisH - LoonY

well maybe someone else finds that easier

How about me, cos I have actually performed this piece, along with the rest of op 25 and quite a lot of op 10.

Only someone ignorant of the subtleties of the technical difficulties (ie someone who has never actually played them) of all these pieces would talk in terms of 'easier' and 'harder'.

Steve (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[YetAnotherPianist]

Only someone ignorant of the subtleties of the technical difficulties (ie someone who has never actually played them) of all these pieces would talk in terms of 'easier' and 'harder'.

Too true.

Of course, you're forgetting that people have the mistaken impression that finding any excuse to talk about reputedly difficult pieces, no matter how ill-formed their opinions, makes them look big and clever (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif).

[SteveHopwood]

Of course, you're forgetting that people have the mistaken impression that finding any excuse to talk about reputedly difficult pieces, no matter how ill-formed their opinions, makes them look big and clever (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif).

Has this individual done this before?

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[chocolatedog]

Only someone ignorant of the subtleties of the technical difficulties (ie someone who has never actually played them) of all these pieces would talk in terms of 'easier' and 'harder'.

Too true.

Of course, you're forgetting that people have the mistaken impression that finding any excuse to talk about reputedly difficult pieces, no matter how ill-formed their opinions, makes them look big and clever (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif).

They like to give the impression that they can play them all!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[IrisH - LoonY]

I've clearly given off the wrong idea.

I'm talking about physical technicalities here! Of course there's a huge amount of emotion that is needed to really bring out the "Chopinesque" of his music. But really, the technical side needs to be accomplished BEFORE adding the emotional/psychological side.

Freddy Kempf once said that the Op.10 No.5 in G flat is one of the easiest to play, but one of the easiest to lose the skill etc required for playing this piece.

You don't actually have to be able to play a piece of music to tell how difficult it is...really...an in depth reading of the music and testing a few bits out is perfectly acceptable...but that's just my OPINION, to you guys, you may see it differently but hey we're entitled to our views...yes?

Now theoretically, these are ETUDES (studies) we're talking about here...so you COULD actually just use them as a technique developer, focusing on technique rather than emotion. But obviously it also comes down to how the pianist interprets them as well i.e. play them with Nocturne like passion or play them as just normal studies (which was their original intention!)

IrisH - LoonY