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Remembering What Italian Words Mean...

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fsharpminor	Sep 29 2006, 07:35 AM Post #16
Maestro Group: Members Posts: 12336 Joined: 7-June 06 From: Wirral (originally Keighley, Yorks) Member No.: 7089	QUOTE(Nicia-Clarinet-Flute @ Sep 28 2006, 01:06 PM) I am italian!! It's poulenc with his french thats the problem....and don't get me started on the german words!! Who can recognise the instructions- "Mit Lebhaftigkeit und durchaus mit Empfindung und Ausdruck" and "Etwas lebhaft und mit der inningsten Empfindung" I have played these pieces for years without fully understanding these instructions at the beginning!

ianporsche	Sep 29 2006, 11:09 AM Post #17
Prodigy Group: Members Posts: 1187 Joined: 13-May 05 Member No.: 3666	I always remember andante because it sounds like how you cook pasta (al dente)

sara smith	Sep 29 2006, 02:40 PM Post #18
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 370 Joined: 21-June 05 From: Elmbridge, Surrey Member No.: 3935	QUOTE(fsharpminor @ Sep 29 2006, 08:35 AM) QUOTE(Nicia-Clarinet-Flute @ Sep 28 2006, 01:06 PM) I am italian!! It's poulenc with his french thats the problem....and don't get me started on the german words!! Who can recognise the instructions- "Mit Lebhaftigkeit und durchaus mit Empfindung und Ausdruck" and "Etwas lebhaft und mit der inningsten Empfindung" I have played these pieces for years without fully understanding these instructions at the beginning! Hi there Yes mit Lebhaftigkeit means with lots of life and with complete sensitivity and expression. The other one means somewhat lively and with heartfelt sensitivity. So I hope you were giving it your all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Sara

sarah-flute	Sep 29 2006, 05:55 PM Post #19
Maestro Group: Members Posts: 25735 Joined: 14-December 04 From: Insomniaville Member No.: 2729	QUOTE(joyjoy @ Sep 28 2006, 02:55 PM) Also, Giocoso - think of a pet, then think playful. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Why a pet??! You've lost me with that one! I am a linguist by training so I tend to just learn what the word means by, um, learning what it means, boringly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Some of the ideas in this thread may help with a more traditional learning style to supplement the mnemonics (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

joyjoy	Sep 30 2006, 09:03 AM Post #20
Prodigy Group: Members Posts: 1326 Joined: 5-April 04 Member No.: 912	QUOTE(sarah-flute @ Sep 29 2006, 06:55 PM) QUOTE(joyjoy @ Sep 28 2006, 02:55 PM) Also, Giocoso - think of a pet, then think playful. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Why a pet??! You've lost me with that one! My students think of their pet rabbit, kitten, dog and so on as being playful animals. For me it always worked thinking of a playful kitten! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

sarah-flute	Sep 30 2006, 09:11 AM Post #21
Maestro Group: Members Posts: 25735 Joined: 14-December 04 From: Insomniaville Member No.: 2729	Oh right. I guess because people had been likening the Italian word to something it sounded like in English I was trying to see that link and couldn't!

petrat	Oct 2 2006, 01:35 AM Post #22
Unregistered	Years ago I wrote a poem to use as part of a class project for learning Italian terms. I cannot recall all of it now but may still have a copy somewhere. It contained the following lines: Slowly and stately goes Largo the elephant, trundling over the jungle he goes, when subito, suddenly he meets Presto the mouse who is being very quick on the tips of his toes. ........Was Dolce the dove who was singing so sweetly high up above. There was a snake called slur and a frog called staccato too but that is all that I can recall now. Probably just as well! If there are some that you really cannot remember it might help to make a rhyme of some sort to help.

fsharpminor	Oct 2 2006, 07:18 AM Post #23
Maestro Group: Members Posts: 12336 Joined: 7-June 06 From: Wirral (originally Keighley, Yorks) Member No.: 7089	QUOTE(sara smith @ Sep 29 2006, 03:40 PM) QUOTE(fsharpminor @ Sep 29 2006, 08:35 AM) QUOTE(Nicia-Clarinet-Flute @ Sep 28 2006, 01:06 PM) I am italian!! It's poulenc with his french thats the problem....and don't get me started on the german words!! Who can recognise the instructions- "Mit Lebhaftigkeit und durchaus mit Empfindung und Ausdruck" and "Etwas lebhaft und mit der inningsten Empfindung" I have played these pieces for years without fully understanding these instructions at the beginning! Hi there Yes mit Lebhaftigkeit means with lots of life and with complete sensitivity and expression. The other one means somewhat lively and with heartfelt sensitivity. So I hope you were giving it your all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Sara In fact those instructions were none other than our good friend Beethoven, at the beginning of the Op 90 and Op 101 Piano sonatas, then he reverted back to italian for the the last four sonatas. I found another edition which translates them as :- 'Lively , with feeling and expression throughout' (Op 90) 'Somewhat lively and with deepest feeling' (Op 101) In fact the second movement of Op 90 says 'Nicht so geschwind und sehr singbar vorzutragen' which translates as 'to be played not too fast and very singfully'

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