Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

> Forum Rules

A shortened version of the Forums Rules is given below. The full version can be found here.

By maintaining a user account and by posting to these forums, you hereby agree to abide by these rules.

FORUMS RULES - A SNAPSHOT
- Stay safe - protect your privacy and respect the privacy of others
- No abusive, offensive or aggressive postings
- No insults or personal attacks
- No foul language
- No trolling
- No inappropriate or illegal material
- No advertising (including "For Sale" or "Wanted" adverts)
- No crossposting
- No forum spamming
- No defamatory comments
- Avoid using jargon, abbreviations or "text talk"

 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> Grade 7 Theory - Question 1 - Quick Help
mysteryd
post Dec 30 2006, 06:30 PM
Post #1


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 121
Joined: 12-November 05
From: West Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Member No.: 5239



Grade 7 Theory - Question 1:

Here's a quick question:... If the music is in a minor key, and has NO accidentals in the melody or bass at all, when i write in the figured bass, shall i just assume that the 7th note of the key is sharpened???

Because the indication is to complete figured bass, and "remember accidentals (even in 5/3 chords)...."


(By the way - i am looking at Grade 7 Theory Workbook (ABRSM) - page 14 top....)


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
YetAnotherPianist
post Dec 30 2006, 06:33 PM
Post #2


Virtuoso
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 6692
Joined: 18-January 05
From: Sofa; occasionally, piano stool
Member No.: 2978



7ths are explicitly sharpened in figured basses; for instance, a 5 3 position chord on the dominant with a sharpened 7th would be notated with:

5
#3

or just

#
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
mrbouffant
post Dec 30 2006, 07:57 PM
Post #3


Unregistered









... in minor keys
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
YetAnotherPianist
post Dec 30 2006, 08:41 PM
Post #4


Virtuoso
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 6692
Joined: 18-January 05
From: Sofa; occasionally, piano stool
Member No.: 2978



QUOTE(mrbouffant @ Dec 30 2006, 07:57 PM) *

... in minor keys

Is my answer restricted solely to minor keys? The notation for having a sharpened 7th would be the same in a major key, surely....
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
bourdon16
post Dec 30 2006, 08:52 PM
Post #5


Unregistered









I had to read YetAnotherPianist's answer a few times before I realised s/he was correct. In a 5-3 chord built on the dominant in A minor the 3rd of the chord is the 7th of the key and you would need to sharpen it to obtain a G#. If you had an E in the bass and a B (say) in the melody and wanted (for some *bizarre* reason) to use a 7th chord, then #7 [5 3 not needed] would mean E, G, B, D#.

If you have an E in the bass and a D in the melody then it is possible you could still only see #3 or just # to tell the player to bung a dominant triad under the note, though I suspect in exams they might use a 7 to help you.

Which page did you say you were on? Are you looking at example 29a?

The 'joy' of figured bass is that, once you have obeyed the keysignature, the figures tell you every other accidental you need. You just have to know what to take for granted as numbers are left out if they are superfluous.
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
mrbouffant
post Dec 30 2006, 09:30 PM
Post #6


Unregistered









My apologies. In C major, I don't consider the B to be "sharpened" to make the 7th, whereas in C minor I would... it's a matter of semantics I guess (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
« Next Oldest · Theory and Composition · Next Newest »
 

Reply to this topicStart new topic

 



Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 26th May 2013 - 08:47 AM