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> Fake Qualification, Bought ones too
SarahSax1986
post May 31 2007, 10:12 PM
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So, does anyone on here have any fake qualifications that mean they can put letters after their name, or qualifications they have bought?

I myself am able to put letters after my name....

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Edit/ Also does anyone know of qualifications than one can simply buy?
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post Jun 2 2007, 08:07 AM
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QUOTE(SarahSax1986 @ May 31 2007, 11:12 PM) *


Edit/ Also does anyone know of qualifications than one can simply buy?


This throw up the whole question of what gives an institution/body the right to allow someone to put letters after their name. Does anyone know if there are any laws about this? Rather than buy some (if they are worthless anyway in terms of their value) it would be simpler just to invent some.

Should I want to get a job on the basis of my qualifications then my would-be employer would understand what my qualifications are and whether they are relevant. (Thoug it's so long since I was at college the information is vastly out of date and all my certificates show is that at one time I was capable of learning stuff and taking an exam).
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QUOTE(Alicia Ocean @ Jun 2 2007, 09:07 AM) *

This throw up the whole question of what gives an institution/body the right to allow someone to put letters after their name. Does anyone know if there are any laws about this? Rather than buy some (if they are worthless anyway in terms of their value) it would be simpler just to invent some.

In the UK, things which look like degree postnominals are protected by law - so one cannot buy a BA/BSc/MA/MSc/PhD/DSc etc. etc. There's a loophole in the US, though, where an organisation can declare themselves to be a church of some faith, and award degrees - because church organisations can award qualifications in America. Most of the Internet sites from which one can buy degrees are US based, and in the small print one can see that 'Hardwood University' is associated with one of these 'churches'.

What is okay in the UK is for an organisation to give out memberships which entitle the holder to postnominals and academic dress. Membership levels look a lot like music diploma levels - one can be a Fellow of an organisation and put Fsomething after one's name. So, for instance, dcmbarton is a Fellow of the Academy of St Cecilia and puts FASC after his name accordingly - this means he pays a subscription fee to be a member of the organisation. It isn't a qualification - the membership criteria are quite broad, and at least would require one to be 'simply as an enthusiast' about Early Music'. So perhaps they could include a voucher in the complete Byrd Keyboard Works box set (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif).

So if you're curious about how to go about awarding membership postnominals, all you need to do is draft up a constitution and away you go. Some time ago I did one for the 'Bouffant College of Music', which can now technically award postnominals just as other societies can: FBCM, LBCM and ABCM. Feel free to edit it to suit, and start your own society to bolster your collection of postnominals (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif).

The key to getting membership postnominals respected is to make them difficult to attain - FRS, for instance, is merely a membership, but carries much weight because one has to do a heck of a lot to get it. The first thing I do upon seeing postnominals I haven't heard of is to Google them - and have a chuckle if they're desperate enough to show off that they have tenner-a-year no-strings-attached memberships masquerading as qualifications (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif).

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1. The name of this organisation shall be "The Bouffant College of Music", hereafter referred to as the BCM.

2. The BCM shall be an independent learned society composed of musicians and other persons interested in musical matters.

3. The aims of the BCM shall be:
  • To encourage the telling of jokes in the 'Come In, Sit Down' thread in the Forums Cafe section of forums.abrsm.org
  • To promote the highest standards in the performance of music, especially in Internet-arranged concerts
4. The BCM shall be governed by a Council of Management, the member of which shall be a supporter of Liverpool football club and a talented organist. The Council will consist of a chairman: the officership of chairman shall be granted initially to the person known as 'mrbouffant' on forums.abrsm.org; each chairman is responsible for appointing a successor should they see fit.

Council shall have executive power over all matters associated with the BCM, and is entitled to terminate the membership of any individual whose behaviour it feels to have brought the BCM into disrepute. Any such individual shall be deprived of all privileges of membership.

5. The membership of the BCM shall consist of
  • Fellows: musicians, or those interested in musical matters, who have told a joke of notable humour, in the opinion of Council
  • Licentiates: musicians, or those interested in musical matters, who have told a joke of reasonable humour, in the opinion of the Council
  • Associates: musicians, or those interested in musical matters, who have told a joke containing some humerous element, in the opinion of Council
The minimum age for membership of the BCM, at any level, shall be 5 years, to allow joke-telling skills to develop.

Council may admit to fellowship honoris causa any musician, or person interested in musical matters, who has made a significant contribution to the work of the BCM.

Any person elected to Council who is not a Fellow at the time, shall be created a Fellow de jure.

6. Application for membership shall be made, normally, by telling a joke in the 'Come In, Sit Down' thread in the Forums Cafe section of forums.abrsm.org. The chairman may also grant membership to such person(s) as he or she shall deem worthy.

7. Fellows, Licentiates and Associates of the BCM shall be entitled to use the postnominal letters FBCM, LBCM and ABCM respectively.

8. Council of the BCM shall be at liberty to prescribe appropriate academic dress for members of the BCM, and for the council members.
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SarahSax1986   Fake Qualification   May 31 2007, 10:12 PM
nic   No, I only have real ones after my name ;) What d...   May 31 2007, 10:19 PM
A.U.K   Hello Sarah... Why on earth would anyone want to ...   May 31 2007, 10:21 PM
SarahSax1986   Mine are very special and are top secret :P Ok, m...   May 31 2007, 10:21 PM
nic   Do you actually use those letters at all Sarah? A...   May 31 2007, 10:22 PM
SarahSax1986   Hello Sarah... Why on earth would anyone want to...   May 31 2007, 10:26 PM
nic   Okay, it all makes sense now! I was wondering...   May 31 2007, 10:28 PM
SarahSax1986   Okay, it all makes sense now! I was wonderin...   May 31 2007, 10:32 PM
Noodelz   You could just put letters on the end of your name...   May 31 2007, 10:55 PM
bevpiano   It probably would be quite easy for someone to put...   Jun 1 2007, 09:03 AM
Robodoc   It probably would be quite easy for someone to pu...   Jun 1 2007, 04:34 PM
AnnC   I know of a music "teacher" who puts his...   Jun 1 2007, 06:30 PM
Soph15   Why would anyone want to buy a fake qualification....   Jun 1 2007, 08:41 PM
Scaramouche   How can one be allowed to have letters after their...   Jun 1 2007, 09:27 PM
Alicia Ocean   Does India still have the B.A.Failed "qualifi...   Jun 1 2007, 10:04 PM
monkey flute   Does India still have the B.A.Failed "qualif...   Jun 7 2007, 11:28 AM
Alicia Ocean   Does India still have the B.A.Failed "quali...   Jun 7 2007, 01:44 PM
kerioboe   [quote name='monkey flute' post='527710' date='Ju...   Jun 7 2007, 07:53 PM
Alicia Ocean   Edit/ Also does anyone know of qualifications th...   Jun 2 2007, 08:07 AM
YetAnotherPianist   This throw up the whole question of what gives an...   Jun 2 2007, 01:03 PM
Alicia Ocean   So if you're curious about how to go about aw...   Jun 2 2007, 02:54 PM
bevpiano   I'm a member of the ISM & EPTA, for which ...   Jun 2 2007, 08:26 AM
Alicia Ocean   The ISM will take anyone recommended by two member...   Jun 2 2007, 08:30 AM
bevpiano   The ISM will take anyone recommended by two membe...   Jun 2 2007, 10:20 AM
ajm3212   David - I think everyone here respects you as an e...   Jun 2 2007, 10:04 AM
mrbouffant   I'll dip my toe into these murky waters.. .. ...   Jun 2 2007, 10:26 AM
elidatrading   I'll dip my toe into these murky waters.. .....   Jun 2 2007, 05:47 PM
Rosemary7391   There is that. I also wonder if there are rules...   Jun 2 2007, 08:01 PM
stevensfo   I can't go into details, but when I started my...   Jun 2 2007, 08:44 PM
ajm3212   Manek - your post is offensive. An apology might b...   Jun 2 2007, 08:47 PM
Manek   Manek - your post is offensive. An apology might ...   Jun 3 2007, 07:26 AM
nic   Meanwhile, I googled the qualifications I don...   Jun 2 2007, 09:58 PM
Alicia Ocean   Things which start with "F" seem particu...   Jun 3 2007, 07:02 AM
nic   Thanks Steve, although I don't believe David w...   Jun 3 2007, 09:02 AM
stevensfo   Which is why I didn't say exactly what they ...   Jun 3 2007, 09:06 AM
jm-hamilton   I know someone who not only lists memberships in t...   Jun 3 2007, 02:17 PM
SarahSax1986   I know someone who not only lists memberships in ...   Jun 3 2007, 02:23 PM
jm-hamilton   I know someone who not only lists memberships in...   Jun 3 2007, 03:31 PM
sbhoa   [quote name='SarahSax1986' post='524911' date='Ju...   Jun 3 2007, 03:49 PM
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