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| adagiok5 |
Jun 16 2007, 01:37 PM
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I have just taken on an adult pupil that my piano tuners gave my details to. I have had over 20 years experience of teaching the piano to all ages and standards but this pupil is puzzling me. From his original phone call I thought he was a little odd. He told me he had just brought a brand new piano and wanted to take up piano lessons in his retirement (nothing odd there). I then asked him the usual questions such as have you had lessons before to which he informed me he had not. He then said he had played around with the piano and found it hard to reach a 10th to which I replied this was not a problem as a beginner does not need to reach a 10th (this seemed a strange thing for someone to ask who had not played the piano before). So I told him that I had one space available of which he said was suitable for him. In the meantime I sorted out some appropriate material for an adult beginner. The day arrived when he came for his first lesson he was very nervous so I tried to put him at his ease. I showed him how the piano worked and explained about the pedals to which he said he had no knowledge. Next I asked him if he was able to play anything to which he replied he could and proceeded to play Schumann's The Poet Speaks. As you can imagine I was quite shocked by this bearing in mind he was an absolute beginner he was also using the sustaining pedal rather well for a person who had no knowledge of the pedals. He was not able to play the piece to the end as he said he needed the music unfortunately I did not have a copy to hand at the time. I asked him how he had learnt the piece and he said he had listened to Alfred Cortot play it a few times and then purchased the score worked out the fingering and played it(has anyone else heard of anyone doing such a thing)? By this time his half hour was up so acting quickly I sent him home with a Grade 2 Improve Your Sight Reading Book as he said he had a very limited knowledge of musical notation and a Hal Leonard Book 5 Tutor book asking him if he could see if he could learn the first piece in the book. After he went home I was very puzzled and felt I was not being told the whole truth. After thinking about the situation I thought perhaps I had not understood his needs properly so as I had a couple of cancelelations the following week decided I would ring him to ask him if I could spend a bit longer with him to try and work out where he was going with the piano and also if I would be able to help him ( a get out clause for me I thought in the event of not understanding him). He turned up this week having learnt the Hal Leonard piece note and time perfect with the pedal (this piece has taken some of my pupils who have been learning 3 or so years a while to master let alone a beginner). I had also found my copy of The Poet Speaks so I asked him if he could play this to me again with the music this time. It started of well then I noticed his hands shaking and then he flew in to a rage took his hands of the keys and began slapping his legs and shouting with rage. Being more than a little alarmed I told him that I understood how difficult it was to play in front of a stranger and I was not there to judge him but help him. I decided it was best to move on from the piece and asked him how he had got on with the sight reading book he said it was ok so I picked a piece out from the section he had been working on I asked him about the time signature and how he would count the piece and he said he did not do counting!! He started to play the piece then the shaking hands started again he stopped stood up and ran round in a circle in my music room shouting no, no, no. I asked him very calmly to sit down ( by this time I was feeling very anxious). I moved away again from this and decided to try something else I got out a copy of Fur Elise and he said he liked that piece I said we would just do the theme this week he started to play this very slowly (with me trying to count the quavers for him) then he suddenly sped up I asked him if he already knew the piece and he said no. It was by this time the end of the lesson again. What would other teachers advise in this odd situation? I have forty other pupils and I am known for my understanding and patience. I know it is difficult when an adult turns up and you are not sure where they are but I am used to this and have not had a problem in the past with finding a persons level. I really do think it would be best for me to discontinue the lessons with this pupil as I feel a bit alarmed by these sudden outbursts of rage and wonder where it might lead to. Do others think I am being a bit of an alarmist? |
adagiok5 Alarm Bells Ringing About An Odd Pupil Advice Please. Jun 16 2007, 01:37 PM
Melody Amour I'm not a teacher adagio but reading your post... Jun 16 2007, 01:44 PM
mcm There is obviously something very wrong with this ... Jun 16 2007, 02:10 PM
jo.clarinet This all sounds very dodgy - and potentially dange... Jun 16 2007, 02:38 PM
JohnS I wouldn't even try to get to the bottom of it... Jun 16 2007, 03:13 PM
Amber It does sound as though he has some mental health ... Jun 16 2007, 03:23 PM
adagiok5
It does sound as though he has some mental health... Jun 16 2007, 07:31 PM
elidatrading It sounds as if he's autistic, doesn't it. Jun 16 2007, 04:22 PM
susiejean About 5 or so years ago I was teaching Horticultur... Jun 16 2007, 05:20 PM
neil.clarinet My initial reaction was he is not being straight a... Jun 16 2007, 05:46 PM
andante_in_c Just to put another perspective on it...
I would ... Jun 16 2007, 06:41 PM
adagiok5
Just to put another perspective on it...
I would... Jun 16 2007, 07:08 PM
ad_libitum I agree with Noodle. If it's not a medical pr... Jun 16 2007, 08:26 PM
stevensfo
Having experienced all sorts of people in my tr... Jun 16 2007, 08:37 PM
Violinia Hmm, this is certainly a bit worrying, especially ... Jun 16 2007, 09:34 PM
adagiok5 [quote name='Violinia' date='Jun 16 20... Jun 16 2007, 09:42 PM
skylark
Thank you violinia have not thought about the ot... Jun 16 2007, 10:14 PM
adagiok5 I can't help wondering if there is the risk of... Jun 16 2007, 10:55 PM
anacrusis Tourette's, maybe?
It doesn't really soun... Jun 16 2007, 11:26 PM
all ears I agree that mental illness seems to be involved, ... Jun 17 2007, 05:08 AM
nic I think that if you feel uncomfortable or vulnerab... Jun 17 2007, 06:36 AM
lottie Talk to him about his outbursts :blink: Tell him... Jun 17 2007, 06:47 AM
Melody Amour
Talk to him about his outbursts :blink: Tell hi... Jun 17 2007, 07:36 AM
adagiok5
Talk to him about his outbursts :blink: Tell hi... Jun 17 2007, 09:10 AM
celebworld Yikes...He sounds like Jekyll and Hyde. :wacko: I... Jun 17 2007, 07:45 AM
skylark I don't think there's any obligation on ad... Jun 17 2007, 07:48 AM
katyjay adagiok5, my view comes from a past where I was on... Jun 17 2007, 08:11 AM
neil.clarinet
adagiok5, my view comes from a past where I was o... Jun 17 2007, 11:47 AM
BusyBee Message deleted. Jun 17 2007, 08:40 AM
SueHM Very interesting posts, everyone.
I think I would... Jun 17 2007, 09:52 AM
skylark
I am all for helping people with mental health pr... Jun 17 2007, 10:44 AM
adagiok5
I am all for helping people with mental health p... Jun 17 2007, 10:54 AM

skylark I'm very sorry to hear about your dad's si... Jun 18 2007, 11:17 AM
skylark
adagiok5, there is a risk that he might lose it o... Jun 18 2007, 08:52 AM
Melody Amour I also agree with Skylark about probably not menti... Jun 17 2007, 11:05 AM
adagiok5
I also agree with Skylark about probably not ment... Jun 17 2007, 11:12 AM
Robodoc I have an . . . aquaintance, who is a professor of... Jun 17 2007, 11:44 AM
skylark
I have an . . . aquaintance, who is a professor o... Jun 17 2007, 03:39 PM
Robodoc
For adagiok5 to try this tactic with a person she... Jun 17 2007, 03:47 PM
Heitorvillalobos
For adagiok5 to try this tactic with a person sh... Jun 18 2007, 11:55 PM
ad_libitum I guess it depends on how much Adagio feels she ca... Jun 17 2007, 05:47 PM
AnnC
I guess it depends on how much Adagio feels she c... Jun 17 2007, 09:57 PM
sarah-flute Of course I'm understanding of different pupil... Jun 18 2007, 02:02 AM
Minstrel What an awkward situation, Adagio5.
I would sugge... Jun 18 2007, 09:15 AM
adagiok5
What an awkward situation, Adagio5.
I would sugg... Jun 18 2007, 10:02 AM
hazel
You mention "before retirement". Could ... Jun 18 2007, 09:32 AM
SueHM
You mention "before retirement". Could... Jun 18 2007, 10:31 AM
adagiok5
You mention "before retirement". Could... Jun 18 2007, 10:37 AM
Chris H My dad also had Alzeimers, and acted in a very sim... Jun 18 2007, 10:59 AM
AnnC My Mum had Alzeimers too, but she never got angry ... Jun 18 2007, 05:02 PM
adagiok5
My Mum had Alzeimers too, but she never got angry... Jun 18 2007, 08:08 PM
piano63 It does not sound as though he has been totally tr... Jun 18 2007, 10:14 PM
ad_libitum Yes. Be careful, and let us know how it goes :) Jun 19 2007, 12:18 AM
maggiemay
Yes. Be careful, and let us know how it goes :)... Jun 19 2007, 07:54 AM
Dulciana I'd be in agreement with robodoc here too, and... Jun 19 2007, 09:26 AM
Good Intentions
Whilst we might like to be sympathetic and helpf... Jun 19 2007, 11:11 AM
No. I don't read music. I find the replies to this post offensive. I can p... Jun 19 2007, 10:12 PM
BusyBee
[quote name='AnnC' post='535164' date='Jun 18 200... Jun 19 2007, 10:29 PM
Susie This is really a post prompted by "No. I don... Jun 19 2007, 10:31 PM
katyjay Susie, you make some valid points.
But please don... Jun 19 2007, 10:34 PM
No. I don't read music. Susie you are quite right, of course. No teacher s... Jun 19 2007, 10:39 PM
Malone It is very frustrating if a pupil doesnt tell you ... Jun 19 2007, 10:40 PM
nic
It is very frustrating if a pupil doesnt tell you... Jun 19 2007, 10:57 PM
Malone I have another pupil who casually mentioned that s... Jun 19 2007, 11:17 PM
Maizie
When I was eye-tested at primary school, with a c... Jun 26 2007, 10:22 AM
JulieCSM
When I was eye-tested at primary school, with a ... Jun 26 2007, 01:52 PM
BusyBee I think it might be important to know if the pupil... Jun 20 2007, 09:44 AM
kerioboe
Thinking about it would a woodwind or brass teach... Jun 20 2007, 11:23 AM
SueHM The Data Protection Act covers all forms of stored... Jun 20 2007, 11:36 AM
BusyBee
The Data Protection Act covers all forms of store... Jun 20 2007, 01:05 PM
neil.clarinet
The Data Protection Act covers all forms of stor... Jun 20 2007, 08:15 PM
SueHM Phew! Jun 20 2007, 03:56 PM
jod Where do I begin?
Firstly protect your safety. N... Jun 20 2007, 05:41 PM
SueHM Presumably the results are anonymised, in which ca... Jun 20 2007, 08:19 PM
BusyBee This is potentially a bit of a minefield isn't... Jun 20 2007, 08:22 PM
SueHM Have you seen this chap again, Adagio? I'd be ... Jun 26 2007, 08:18 AM
nic
Have you seen this chap again, Adagio? I'd be... Jun 26 2007, 08:21 AM
Lone Ranger Anyone stumbling upon this thread could be forgive... Jun 26 2007, 03:52 PM
ad_libitum
Yes, he may be very legitimate, but you are a mu... Jun 26 2007, 05:48 PM
AnnC Any news? Jun 28 2007, 10:46 PM
SueHM Hmmm, hope Adagio is OK....(allows imagination to ... Jun 28 2007, 10:51 PM![]() ![]() |
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