Trills On C Options

[saxlover]

on the C in the middle of the stave, how do you do a trill with the D above it. do you have to use a tril key or is there some weird fingering?! i have tried the trill keys but it doesnt sound right!

[Helen]

You need to use one of the trill keys but you haven't specified which C it is. The on the stave is trill key 1 and the C above it is trill key 2. (I think!)

[DavidMusic]

I think you have to trill it with the D sharp key held down too. I'm not entirely sure, since I still sound like a dead donkey when I play

[dacapo]

QUOTE (clarinetlover @ Oct 29 2004, 09:23 AM)

on the C in the middle of the stave, how do you do a trill with the D above it. do you have to use a tril key or is there some weird fingering?! i have tried the trill keys but it doesnt sound right!

It's a good idea to do the very beginning of a C-D trill with the complete C-D fingering, to kid the listener that what follows is the same! Experiment to see which trill key give the better tuning for the D and use that. Chances are that neither will be particularly well in tune.

[missfabflute]

for trills with C, i just use the C-sharp key to trill with :P

i know i know its wrong -_____-"

[fluty tute]

i use the first trill key 4 both Cs

shame it doesnt sound great tho

- i m not v good with trills t all cos i m a bit slow

[kenm]

QUOTE (dacapo @ Oct 29 2004, 06:53 PM)

It's a good idea to do the very beginning of a C-D trill with the complete C-D fingering, to kid the listener that what follows is the same! Experiment to see which trill key give the better tuning for the D and use that. Chances are that neither will be particularly well in tune.

I thought harmonics were supposed to be in tune if you had the cork in the right place, so why can't you use the lower fingering for the whole trill and overblow?

[Garkleine]

Surely the first trill key trillls C to D in both octaves and the second trill key trills to D# in both octaves?? :blink:

[Helen]

er... are they...?

[dacapo]

QUOTE (kenm @ Oct 30 2004, 10:12 AM)

QUOTE (dacapo @ Oct 29 2004, 06:53 PM) It's a good idea to do the very beginning of a C-D trill with the complete C-D fingering, to kid the listener that what follows is the same! Experiment to see which trill key give the better tuning for the D and use that. Chances are that neither will be particularly well in tune. I thought harmonics were supposed to be in tune if you had the cork in the right place, so why can't you use the lower fingering for the whole trill and overblow?

I'm afraid I don't actually understand the question. Sorry!

[weejen]

[QUOTE]Surely the first trill key trillls C to D in both octaves and the second trill key trills to D# in both octaves??

Yup thats how I do it and that what I was going to say as well!

[kenm]

QUOTE (dacapo @ Oct 30 2004, 01:21 PM)

QUOTE (kenm @ Oct 30 2004, 10:12 AM) I thought harmonics were supposed to be in tune if you had the cork in the right place, so why can't you use the lower fingering for the whole trill and overblow? I'm afraid I don't actually understand the question. Sorry!

I mean use the fingerings for bottom C and D but overblow to C space, etc.

[dacapo]

QUOTE (kenm @ Oct 30 2004, 06:36 PM)

QUOTE (dacapo @ Oct 30 2004, 01:21 PM) QUOTE (kenm @ Oct 30 2004, 10:12 AM) I thought harmonics were supposed to be in tune if you had the cork in the right place, so why can't you use the lower fingering for the whole trill and overblow? I'm afraid I don't actually understand the question. Sorry! I mean use the fingerings for bottom C and D but overblow to C space, etc.

Now I understand, thanks. That would involve trilling with one of the weakest fingers (right hand little finger), and although I haven't got a flute here to try it on (I'm away from home) I think the sound would probably be very markedly different from the normal fingerings. I suspect it might sound more like a special effect than something that would fit into an ordinary phrase of e.g. a baroque sonata.

[tamsin]

Talking of trill, is there any alternative way of trilling from, erm, I think its F#3 to G#3, as is requirred at some point in my nemisis the first movement of the Polenc sonata, at the moment I trill using my thumb an first finger, but the trill sounds dodgy, and using two finger means its lower than all my other trills, which sounds really uneven... :unsure:

[Juze]

QUOTE

You need to use one of the trill keys but you haven't specified which C it is. The on the stave is trill key 1 and the C above it is trill key 2. (I think!)

Absolutely right!

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I think you have to trill it with the D sharp key held down too. I'm not entirely sure, since I still sound like a dead donkey when I play

Yes, the D# key should be down anyway for the C. I think if you tried to do a trill on C without the D# key down you'd probably drop the flute!

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Surely the first trill key trillls C to D in both octaves and the second trill key trills to D# in both octaves??

No! Compare the trill fingerings played very slowly with the real fingerings and see which best matches the tuning. Also C#-D and C#-D# trills. The higher C#-D# is BOTH trill keys!

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I mean use the fingerings for bottom C and D but overblow to C space, etc.

Wouldn't this sound horrible? The first harmonic from low C has a completely different sound to the "real" note, it would stick out like the proverbial sore thumb in a phrase.