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> Mozart Fantasia In D Minor K397, Which edition?
Solari
post Jun 15 2009, 08:54 PM
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My teacher has said I need to stop playing the kind of stuff I'm playing and have a go at more classical, so after some discussion it seems that this is my next task (or at least some of it) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Could someone please tell me which edition I should order? There are several:

Fantasia in D Minor, K. 397 (Alfred Masterwork Edition) by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and Willard A. Palmer

Fantasia in D Minor: K. 397/K. 385g by Richard Jones

or it's included in: Fantasy and Fugue, K. 394 and Fantasies, K. 396 and 397 (Urtext) (Kalmus Edition) by Wolfgang Mozart (Paperback - Mar 2000)

Or something else?

I did start learning this by myself quite a few years back and reckon I can get through at least some of it with some hard work (I love this piece so will spend several hours a day if necessary on it at weekends + extra lessons!) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Many thanks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jun 15 2009, 09:20 PM
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I always go for Urtext editions, and advise my students to do the same.

Loosely translated, 'Urtext' means as near to the composer's original score as it is possible to get. Lots of caveats in there, but at least you can be fairly sure that a marking has not been placed there by a 20th century editor with an agenda of his\her own.

This leaves you having to make performance decisions on your own, but no harm there as that is what we all have to do. A good teacher can help you with these until you have the experience to come to them on your own.

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post Jun 15 2009, 09:22 PM
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QUOTE(PianoDoodler @ Jun 15 2009, 10:20 PM) *

I always go for Urtext editions, and advise my students to do the same.

Loosely translated, 'Urtext' means as near to the composer's original score as it is possible to get. Lots of caveats in there, but at least you can be fairly sure that a marking has not been placed there by a 20th century editor with an agenda of his\her own.

This leaves you having to make performance decisions on your own, but no harm there as that is what we all have to do. A good teacher can help you with these until you have the experience to come to them on your own.

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Great, thanks very much indeed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I think this is what she wants, not some "clean, rearranged version" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Jun 16 2009, 10:55 AM
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If you like Mozart this piece is in an ABRSM publication called Mozart Mature Piano Pieces and there is quite a few other pieces you might like a go at.
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post Jun 16 2009, 11:06 AM
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QUOTE(Digby @ Jun 16 2009, 11:55 AM) *

If you like Mozart this piece is in an ABRSM publication called Mozart Mature Piano Pieces and there is quite a few other pieces you might like a go at.


Thanks, I'll have a look...

I don't want to go too mad at the moment as I'd rather look at a couple of pieces I have a realistic chance of getting through and eventually playing to a reasonable standard... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Don't want to overload my poor brain cell too much (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Jun 19 2009, 01:27 PM
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Just got this through the post... wow, a LOT different to the arranged versions I'd seen on the internet. The first difference I note is the use of double dots. Also, Bar 34 is (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Freeform??

Should be a good learning curve (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jun 19 2009, 02:23 PM
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QUOTE(Solari @ Jun 19 2009, 02:27 PM) *

Just got this through the post... wow, a LOT different to the arranged versions I'd seen on the internet. The first difference I note is the use of double dots. Also, Bar 34 is (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Freeform??

Should be a good learning curve (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


It certainly should.
If you are about to do grade 1 and thinking of skipping a grade and your teacher thinks you are ready to tackle this then I'd skip to about grade 6!
I first played it as part of a performance assessment programme instead of doing grade 7 and am revisiting it now. It's taking a little time to get together to a reasonable standard.
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QUOTE(sbhoa @ Jun 19 2009, 03:23 PM) *

It certainly should.
If you are about to do grade 1 and thinking of skipping a grade and your teacher thinks you are ready to tackle this then I'd skip to about grade 6!
I first played it as part of a performance assessment programme instead of doing grade 7 and am revisiting it now. It's taking a little time to get together to a reasonable standard.


I don't know if I can tackle it all, but I'll do my best - it's more about getting more exposure to reading "proper" classical music and I have no illusions of being able to play it really well anytime soon (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I can play the first page without any worries but there are a few bits which will take a lot of work (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) I find I usually get there in the end if I am learning a piece I love (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Also got J.F. Burgmuller's Arabesque on my list "to do" for fun (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I'm looking at skipping to Grade 3 in November which shouldn't be too bad (I've pretty much got TopCat nailed and the Minuet is coming on nicely (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)) I'm not in a rush, really. Grade 3 seems like a realistic target to set (to play that level's pieces well) at the moment, to be honest. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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