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> Berkeley's Hunt - Herbert Howells
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post Jun 29 2009, 12:32 PM
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I have almost finished learning this piece but there is a left hand chord at the top of the third page which I cannot get my fingers round - from to top Fx (below middle C), C#, A# and D#.

Quite a few of the LH chords are marked 'sec.' which I can only assume to be short for 'secco' as in dry staccato.

Any ideas?

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post Jul 10 2009, 09:55 PM
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Surely someone has any idea?
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post Jul 10 2009, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE(dcmbarton @ Jul 10 2009, 10:55 PM) *

Surely someone has any idea?


I'm a bit confused... Fx = G? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

C# A# and D# is easy enough, but as for fitting that other note in, you'd need hands like shovels...
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post Jul 11 2009, 07:55 AM
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Hi David,

I'm not familiar with this piece, but I too am a bit confused - which order are the notes in, because the way it's written here it would either need to be arpegiated or to have abnormal sized hands. Or is it possible to pick up the Fx with the Right Hand? Alternatively you may need to chose a note to drop.

Also happy to have a look at it with you over the holidays if you'd like.
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post Jul 11 2009, 01:56 PM
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Here it is:

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post Jul 11 2009, 03:04 PM
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I can manage that with an F at the top but not Fx (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

How does it sound in context with the Fx an octave below played with 4th finger btw? (I'm guessing this is bad practice)
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post Jul 11 2009, 04:30 PM
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Well it's basically an Eb7 (D#7 to be awkward) chord isn't it....

I'd look to play it as (from bottom to top)

A#, C#, D# and Fx - with the Fx being the one below middle C.

It sounds nicer as a chord there too in my opinion
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post Jul 11 2009, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE(fatar760 @ Jul 11 2009, 05:30 PM) *

Well it's basically an Eb7 (D#7 to be awkward) chord isn't it....

I'd look to play it as (from bottom to top)

A#, C#, D# and Fx - with the Fx being the one below middle C.

It sounds nicer as a chord there too in my opinion


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post Jul 11 2009, 06:03 PM
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Any ideas what 'sec.' underneath means?
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post Jul 11 2009, 06:09 PM
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Any ideas what 'sec.' underneath means?


According to my AB guide to music theory it means:

sec. (F), secco (I) crisp (lit. 'dry'), suppress the sound as quickly as possible - do not allow it to continue to reverberate.

I'm guessing this is a reference to the sf and the following two rests
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post Jul 11 2009, 06:17 PM
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QUOTE(fatar760 @ Jul 11 2009, 07:09 PM) *

QUOTE(dcmbarton @ Jul 11 2009, 07:03 PM) *

Any ideas what 'sec.' underneath means?


According to my AB guide to music theory it means:

sec. (F), secco (I) crisp (lit. 'dry'), suppress the sound as quickly as possible - do not allow it to continue to reverberate.

I'm guessing this is a reference to the sf and the following two rests

In other words, get it over with as quickly as possible? Seems a good plan!
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post Jul 11 2009, 06:26 PM
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QUOTE(fatar760 @ Jul 11 2009, 07:09 PM) *

QUOTE(dcmbarton @ Jul 11 2009, 07:03 PM) *

Any ideas what 'sec.' underneath means?


According to my AB guide to music theory it means:

sec. (F), secco (I) crisp (lit. 'dry'), suppress the sound as quickly as possible - do not allow it to continue to reverberate.

I'm guessing this is a reference to the sf and the following two rests

In other words, get it over with as quickly as possible? Seems a good plan!



Yeh and I'm guessing, as well, that by the staccato marks in that small section the whole section is probably supposed to be played in a light detached way.
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post Jul 14 2009, 08:19 PM
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I was taught that "sec" meant "dry" as in "no pedal"
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post Jul 17 2009, 07:44 AM
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I can't believe I've come across someone else who has a copy of this volume.

'fraid I bought it years ago but didn't really like the look of what I heard when I tried to sight read a few.
I don't mean to comdemn them - just too diffifcult for me to get to know instantly. Whether they would yield to study I don't know.

As for the chord - can your page-turner help ?

is it a case of a composer writing what he wants to hear without regard for the physical possibilities
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