Trinity Guildhall Lack Of Grade 8 Chopin/brahms/schubert, im not happy Options

[1993allende]

for my grade 8 i decided to go with the trinity guildhall sylabus (cba with scales in 3rds, 5ths, 6ths and singing!). The only drawback is the fairly horrendous choice of exam pieces. There is an abscence of chopin, brahms, schubert which completely eliminates my strength which is the standard romantic repertoire. Instead it looks like im playing rachmaninov melodie op3 no3, beethoven scherzo and trio (sonata op2 no3). I have little quarrel with these (isnt the rachmaninov nice (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) ) but then i am left with the prospect of elgar (very unpianistic), mendellsohn song without words op67 no2 (very impossible). The possibility of mozrt, bach and hyden is ruled out by my lack of finger flexability an joint strength (ive only been playing approx 3.5 years lol). Thus the lack of chopin, brahms etc is not welcome (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) and i am stuck with a dilemma. Do i grit my teeth and bluff through abrsm scales, aural etc and get the luxury of some nice chopin, or do i go trinity and bear the elgar or butcher the mendellsohn. Anyone who has seen the trinityguildhall lists will know what i mean so i am open to any other suggestions. Before you ask, no i cant compose well enough to play my own composition (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif).

[Mad Tom]

for my grade 8 i decided to go with the trinity guildhall sylabus (cba with scales in 3rds, 5ths, 6ths and singing!). The only drawback is the fairly horrendous choice of exam pieces. There is an abscence of chopin, brahms, schubert which completely eliminates my strength which is the standard romantic repertoire. Instead it looks like im playing rachmaninov melodie op3 no3, beethoven scherzo and trio (sonata op2 no3). I have little quarrel with these (isnt the rachmaninov nice (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) ) but then i am left with the prospect of elgar (very unpianistic), mendellsohn song without words op67 no2 (very impossible). The possibility of mozrt, bach and hyden is ruled out by my lack of finger flexability an joint strength (ive only been playing approx 3.5 years lol). Thus the lack of chopin, brahms etc is not welcome (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) and i am stuck with a dilemma. Do i grit my teeth and bluff through abrsm scales, aural etc and get the luxury of some nice chopin, or do i go trinity and bear the elgar or butcher the mendellsohn. Anyone who has seen the trinityguildhall lists will know what i mean so i am open to any other suggestions. Before you ask, no i cant compose well enough to play my own composition (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif).

Why on earth do you think that your favoured Chopin, Brahms and Schubert need any less flexibility or strength than Mozart, Bach and Haydn?

In many respects the late Baroque and early classical compositions are more straightforward to play - melodies and themes are more boldy and simply stated, accompanying figuration tends to be less complex, and you do not need the subtle and sophisticated pedalling that is essential in Chopin and Brahms. Besides an exam at this level tries to test you ability in several different periods.

You say this "eliminates your strength" (Romantic repertoire) yet you have Rachmaninov's Melodie (if that is not Romantic in style, if not actual date of composition, then what is?), and the Mendelsohhn that you do not fancy is straight from the Romantic period. And if you think that it is "impossible" then perhaps you are not ready for Grade 8. THe examining board clearly think that it is possible at that level.

As for that Mendelsohhn Op. 67 No. 2, not only is it one of the better known of the songs without words (along with the "Spring Song" Op. 62 No. 6, and the "Harry Potter Theme" Op. 19 No. 5) ... it is a wonderful piece, and no more difficult than any Chopin Nocturne or Brahms Intermezzo, and an excellent addition to anyone's repertoire.

One more thing. The available choice is a lot wider than you would have us believe. There is that fantastic Chabrier "Villageoise" from Pieces Pittoresque, a Piazolla Tango, Debussy's "Dr. Gradus ad Parnassum", One of Ireland's "London Pieces", a Scott Joplin rag, a Bartok Rondo, a York Bowen composition, to mention just 7 very different items. Just how much choice and variety do you want?

Finally: the syllabus asks for any own composition to be of "a similar technical and artistic standard" to the other choices. When you look at the repertoire then , taking that requirement literally, that means you can't use an own composition ... unless you consider yourself the artistic equivalent of the composers we have mentioned! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[1993allende]

[quote name='Mad Tom' date='May 10 2010, 01:53 PM' post='949608']
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Why on earth do you think that your favoured Chopin, Brahms and Schubert need any less flexibility or strength than Mozart, Bach and Haydn?



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slower chopin, brahms and schubert (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) . I am better at them mostly because my musical intentions seem to come out more easily and in slower romantic pieces there is less focus on rapid scales, arpeggio passages and alberti bass, all of which my pianistically young and immature hands struggle ot cope with (annoying pinkie reflexes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) etc). Judging by the exhasperated tone in your penultimate paragraph (higher english (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) )
it seems that I somewhat got on your nerves (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) sos for that.

I hope the real name given to that mendellsohn isnt really harry potter theme (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) .

[Mad Tom]

Judging by the exasperated tone in your penultimate paragraph

Only at calling such a fantastic repertoire list "horrendous" when it is packed with varied and interesting stuff.

it seems that I somewhat got on your nerves

Not at all. I'm glad to see you are tough enough to withstand my lack of tact and diplomacy. [As I have mentioned once before on this forum, my wife says I have "the compassion of a brick" ]

I hope the real name given to that Mendellsohn isn't really harry potter theme (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) .

Probably not the fate he had in mind for it when he wrote it, but that is indeed what it has turned out to be (as Robodoc first pointed out to me).

[Solari]

Probably not the fate he had in mind for it when he wrote it, but that is indeed what it has turned out to be (as Robodoc first pointed out to me).

So the question is - was John Williams inspired by this? Is it plagiarism, or just coincidence?

Probably not quite as clear cut as Hans Zimmer's obvious copying of Gustav Holst and Carl Orff (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Mad Tom]

So the question is - was John Williams inspired by this? Is it plagiarism, or just coincidence?

Sounds like straight plagiarism to me.