Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

> Forums Rules

A shortened version of the Forums Rules is given below. The full version can be found here.

By maintaining a user account and by posting to these forums, you hereby agree to abide by these rules.

FORUMS RULES - A SNAPSHOT
- Stay safe - protect your privacy and respect the privacy of others
- No abusive, offensive or aggressive postings
- No insults or personal attacks
- No foul language
- No trolling
- No inappropriate or illegal material
- No advertising (including "For Sale" or "Wanted" adverts)
- No crossposting
- No forum spamming
- No defamatory comments
- Avoid using jargon, abbreviations or "text talk"

83 Pages V « < 3 4 5 6 7 > »   
 Reply to this topicStart new topic
> Pedants' Paradise, Spelling and Grammar Notes and Queries
Juniper
post Dec 29 2010, 08:18 PM
Post #61


Unregistered
Ok, maybe somebody can clarify for me a constant disagreement between myself and the landlord of my local.

I say that sometimes, the correct wording is "....... and me" rather than "......... and I".

For example,
"the present was for Me and ............." Whereas in this sentence
"......... and I bought you a present" would be correct.

I always thought the rule was, if you were just talking about yourself and would use "me", the same would apply when adding somebody else.

If this makes any sense at all, please put me out of my misery (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Celeste
post Dec 29 2010, 08:43 PM
Post #62


Unregistered
The rule with me/I is that the sentence has to make sense without the other person.

For example, "Matthew and I went shopping..." This sentence would make sense without Matthew - "I went shopping."

However, "Matthew and me went shopping..." would not make sense - "Me went shopping..."

And you always put the other person first. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Juniper
post Dec 29 2010, 08:45 PM
Post #63


Unregistered
QUOTE(Celeste @ Dec 29 2010, 08:43 PM) *

The rule with me/I is that the sentence has to make sense without the other person.

For example, "Matthew and I went shopping..." This sentence would make sense without Matthew - "I went shopping."

However, "Matthew and me went shopping..." would not make sense - "Me went shopping..."

And you always put the other person first. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Ha, that's what I thought (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Not that he'll accept it mind (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Czerny
post Dec 29 2010, 08:48 PM
Post #64


Virtuoso
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 4082
Joined: 7-December 07
Member No.: 21097
QUOTE(Juniper @ Dec 29 2010, 08:18 PM) *

Ok, maybe somebody can clarify for me a constant disagreement between myself and the landlord of my local.

I say that sometimes, the correct wording is "....... and me" rather than "......... and I".

For example,
"the present was for Me and ............." Whereas in this sentence
"......... and I bought you a present" would be correct.

I always thought the rule was, if you were just talking about yourself and would use "me", the same would apply when adding somebody else.

If this makes any sense at all, please put me out of my misery (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Your two examples are basically correct (although Celeste is right about putting the other person first) - I think it's to do with whether you're using nominative or accusative case (i.e. whether you are the subject or the object of the verb).

But why do you need to use "myself" in your first sentence?! It's an argument between you and the landlord, surely? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
User is online!Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Juniper
post Dec 29 2010, 08:51 PM
Post #65


Unregistered
QUOTE(Czerny @ Dec 29 2010, 08:48 PM) *

QUOTE(Juniper @ Dec 29 2010, 08:18 PM) *

Ok, maybe somebody can clarify for me a constant disagreement between myself and the landlord of my local.

I say that sometimes, the correct wording is "....... and me" rather than "......... and I".

For example,
"the present was for Me and ............." Whereas in this sentence
"......... and I bought you a present" would be correct.

I always thought the rule was, if you were just talking about yourself and would use "me", the same would apply when adding somebody else.

If this makes any sense at all, please put me out of my misery (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Your two examples are correct - I think it's to do with whether you're using nominative or accusative case (i.e. whether you are the subject or the object of the verb).

But why do you need to use "myself" in your first sentence?! It's an argument between you and the landlord, surely? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)


Oh ****. I will now go away and beat myself with a copy of the OED (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
miffy
post Dec 29 2010, 08:53 PM
Post #66


Virtuoso
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 2586
Joined: 27-October 08
Member No.: 43225
Does that mean it would be an argument between the landlord of my local and I?
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Czerny
post Dec 29 2010, 09:11 PM
Post #67


Virtuoso
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 4082
Joined: 7-December 07
Member No.: 21097
QUOTE(miffy @ Dec 29 2010, 08:53 PM) *

Does that mean it would be an argument between the landlord of my local and I?
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

Aargh! No! Between the landlord and me! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

May I recommend "Between You and I" [sic] by James Cochrane?
User is online!Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
miffy
post Dec 29 2010, 09:23 PM
Post #68


Virtuoso
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 2586
Joined: 27-October 08
Member No.: 43225
QUOTE(Czerny @ Dec 29 2010, 09:11 PM) *

QUOTE(miffy @ Dec 29 2010, 08:53 PM) *

Does that mean it would be an argument between the landlord of my local and I?
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

Aargh! No! Between the landlord and me! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

May I recommend "Between You and I" [sic] by James Cochrane?


Oh dear! I really am rubbish at this..
Is there any hope? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
corenfa
post Dec 29 2010, 09:26 PM
Post #69


Virtuoso
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 4222
Joined: 28-March 10
From: Here
Member No.: 95861
QUOTE(miffy @ Dec 29 2010, 09:23 PM) *

QUOTE(Czerny @ Dec 29 2010, 09:11 PM) *

QUOTE(miffy @ Dec 29 2010, 08:53 PM) *

Does that mean it would be an argument between the landlord of my local and I?
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

Aargh! No! Between the landlord and me! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

May I recommend "Between You and I" [sic] by James Cochrane?


Oh dear! I really am rubbish at this..
Is there any hope? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)


Not for I.. I's rubbish at this too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Juniper
post Dec 29 2010, 09:27 PM
Post #70


Unregistered
QUOTE(Czerny @ Dec 29 2010, 09:11 PM) *

QUOTE(miffy @ Dec 29 2010, 08:53 PM) *

Does that mean it would be an argument between the landlord of my local and I?
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

Aargh! No! Between the landlord and me! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

May I recommend "Between You and I" [sic] by James Cochrane?

Oh wow, that's now in my Amazon basket, thanks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Czerny
post Dec 29 2010, 09:28 PM
Post #71


Virtuoso
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 4082
Joined: 7-December 07
Member No.: 21097
QUOTE(Juniper @ Dec 29 2010, 09:27 PM) *

QUOTE(Czerny @ Dec 29 2010, 09:11 PM) *

QUOTE(miffy @ Dec 29 2010, 08:53 PM) *

Does that mean it would be an argument between the landlord of my local and I?
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

Aargh! No! Between the landlord and me! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

May I recommend "Between You and I" [sic] by James Cochrane?

Oh wow, that's now in my Amazon basket, thanks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
User is online!Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
miffy
post Dec 29 2010, 10:05 PM
Post #72


Virtuoso
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 2586
Joined: 27-October 08
Member No.: 43225
QUOTE(corenfa @ Dec 29 2010, 09:26 PM) *

QUOTE(miffy @ Dec 29 2010, 09:23 PM) *

QUOTE(Czerny @ Dec 29 2010, 09:11 PM) *

QUOTE(miffy @ Dec 29 2010, 08:53 PM) *

Does that mean it would be an argument between the landlord of my local and I?
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

Aargh! No! Between the landlord and me! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

May I recommend "Between You and I" [sic] by James Cochrane?


Oh dear! I really am rubbish at this..
Is there any hope? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)


Not for I.. I's rubbish at this too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Cyrilla
post Dec 29 2010, 11:17 PM
Post #73


Maestro
******

Group: Members
Posts: 11905
Joined: 9-November 03
From: Croydon, South London/Surrey
Member No.: 99
QUOTE(TeacherNumberOne @ Dec 29 2010, 07:29 PM) *

I tried to reply to Czerny when he said he was irritated by pupe. but I can't seem to find where he said it now. What is a pupe?


It wasn't Czerny (who is a 'she') who said this but Bagpuss.

It's Bag's pet abbreviation for 'pupil'.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
JudithJ
post Dec 30 2010, 04:10 AM
Post #74


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 921
Joined: 11-March 05
Member No.: 3307
QUOTE(Czerny @ Dec 29 2010, 06:27 PM) *
QUOTE(Seer_Green @ Dec 29 2010, 05:42 PM) *

One of my pet hates is the missuse of 'can' and 'may' - 'can' as in being able to do something, and 'may' as in having permission to do something... e.g. 'can I sit down?' - well, you're quite able to sit down; what you really mean is 'may I sit down' - i.e. do I have your permission to sit down...

I think this comes under the category of grammar usage which, while strictly correct, sounds rather fussy and / or antiquated these days, particularly in spoken English. It's a bit like using the subjunctive.

It is not at all fussy!

My favourite reply when someone asks me if they can do something is stolen from a film: "You can, but you may not."
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Brynfan
post Dec 30 2010, 04:09 PM
Post #75


Advanced Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 272
Joined: 6-April 10
From: South Wales
Member No.: 96949
Envelope or Onvelope?

Is onvelope the posh version of envelope or the more common pronunciation? I'm in the envelope camp, unpretentious pleb that I am (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
« Next Oldest · Forums Cafe · Next Newest »
 

83 Pages V « < 3 4 5 6 7 > » 
Reply to this topicStart new topic

 

Display Mode: Standard · Switch to: Linear+ · Switch to: Outline

Track this topic · Email this topic · Print this topic · Subscribe to this forum

Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 23rd May 2013 - 06:04 PM