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| mel2 |
Jul 23 2011, 10:31 AM
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I nearly said 'hymns for the unchurched' but didn't want to initiate a slanging match; I've no problem with non-churchgoers and genuinely want to make the experience of a service as rewarding as possible for them so would appreciate any thoughts on a situation that arises here monthly.
I am annoyed that after an 11 hour day yesterday that included work, organ practice and choir practice, I found a message on my answering machine requesting that the hymns be changed. When I returned the call the reasoning was " I'm sorry it is such short notice but I've just got back from holiday and it is the Family/Welcome ~Service this Sunday and they won't know any of the hymns on the list".........[truncate conversation but the next bit was exactly the words used]....." I haven't decided what I'm going to talk about yet". So we are to ditch 'Now thank we all our God', 'Praise we now the word of Grace', 'Praise my soul the King of Heaven', and 'Bright the vision'. Let us ignore the fact that I had spent nearly an hour going through these line by line with the non-music readers in the choir. None of these would have them rocking at Greenbelt, admittedly, but my contention is that the irregular visitor is unlikely to be all that familiar with the alternative hymns that I have been instructed to play i.e 'Morning has Broken, 'Give me oil in my lamp' and 'O Jesus I have promised', either. Clearly, no more thought has gone into this selection than could be managed in the blink of an eye. So the question is, what do others do when they know a fair proportion of the congregation will be, if not first timers, at least unfamiliar with the culture? I know for a fact that a handful of the regulars avoid this service because of the likely presence of fidgety infants and the vacuous theology that will be presented. (I hasten to add that the service is being conducted by a Reader, not the Vicar, who submitted the original list for my approval). What hymns would you suggest as an alternative? Because if I am to play this c@rp I shall go on pedal strike and not vary the registration one jot. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) We have Common Praise, Mission Praise and A+M to hand. |
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| randomsabreur |
Sep 9 2011, 07:23 PM
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I'm a relatively recent churchgoer- started going last November, but been every possible week (barring weddings at the wrong end of the country and being away on holiday) since about May, the quality of the music is massively important to me, and I would certainly attend far less regularly at a church where the music was either ropey or too modern (and probably would only have gone out of duty before getting married, rather than out of a desire to go...). The music isn't the only reason for going now, but before I really felt at home in the church, it was something to look forward to.
We're very lucky that our church (sadly not our parish church) has a fantastic organist (recent voluntaries include Mulet Carrillon-Sortie), excellent choir and a stunning acoustic. The director of music is also one of the churchwardens, so is clearly very involved in the parish. I also get the feeling that the Priest in Charge has a strong musical background, from the quality of his singing at evensong and where singing is required in the communion service. This church isn't a Cathedral (but there are probably smaller cathedrals around) and is in a small town (approx 12,000 inhabitants, but regularly gets 100+ at the main family service (probably nearer 200 other than during the summer when the choir is on holiday!). Most of the hymns used are traditional, few are recent and with the choir are generally well sung. Think there might be a pattern here (although the town is pretty traditional - being famous for "killing" a Macdonalds by not using it...) |
mel2 Hymns and the Visitor Jul 23 2011, 10:31 AM
BadStrad So we are to ditch 'Now thank we all our God... Jul 23 2011, 11:42 AM
tamsin I'm not a very dedicated church attender, and ... Jul 23 2011, 06:12 PM
stetenorve "Give me oil in my lamp" gives me the sh... Jul 23 2011, 09:59 PM
principal4
"Give me oil in my lamp" gives me the s... Jul 25 2011, 07:23 AM
A.U.K
"Give me oil in my lamp" gives me the ... Jul 29 2011, 03:03 PM
Swell Box
[quote name='principal4' post='1078263' date='Jul... Jul 29 2011, 08:21 PM
Stephen Barber
I can see now why I left the church years ago..Th... Jul 29 2011, 08:32 PM

Swell Box
I can't understand how any church can not be ... Jul 29 2011, 10:14 PM

saxophile
I think the Church of England (especially) is in ... Aug 8 2011, 01:12 PM
mel2
Mel2 I'm sorry you are having such a trying... Jul 29 2011, 09:28 PM
randomsabreur Although I can understand Morning has broken, the ... Jul 23 2011, 10:05 PM
mel2 Thanks all for the input. I shall hold out for Pra... Jul 23 2011, 10:32 PM
Swell Box
Thanks all for the input. I shall hold out for Pr... Jul 25 2011, 08:07 AM
mel2
It is a disgrace that your Minister (or whoever) ... Jul 25 2011, 09:38 AM
Barry Williams
It is a disgrace that your Minister (or whoever)... Jul 25 2011, 10:23 AM
tamsin Maybe try and think of it as doing your bit to mak... Jul 24 2011, 07:28 AM
Czerny
None of these would have them rocking at Greenbel... Jul 24 2011, 07:36 AM
Dulcet
This may not be helpful, however; I'm a non-... Jul 24 2011, 01:07 PM
mel2 The offender was changing the hymn numbers on the ... Jul 24 2011, 11:45 AM
fsharpminor I do not know the hymn numbers until I turn up for... Jul 25 2011, 10:26 AM
maggiemay Mel2, I agree wholeheartedly with those who've... Jul 25 2011, 11:10 AM
Swell Box
It is a disgrace that your Minister (or whoever)... Jul 25 2011, 10:04 PM
mel2
Rather than putting up a notice (which would prob... Jul 25 2011, 10:25 PM
Barry Williams "If the matter is raised under 'correspon... Jul 26 2011, 12:22 AM
Vox Humana More importantly, raising it with the PCC might gi... Jul 26 2011, 06:46 AM
mel2 Whoops, to whom should I address the notice/letter... Jul 26 2011, 11:00 AM
Barry Williams The only person who has the final word in this is ... Jul 26 2011, 12:47 PM
mel2
The only person who has the final word in this is... Jul 27 2011, 11:42 AM
principal4 Guess I'm very lucky with my vicar, then. He... Jul 26 2011, 05:08 PM
Stephen Barber I suggest not writing anything to anyone. Why not ... Jul 26 2011, 07:50 PM
Barry Williams
I suggest not writing anything to anyone. Why not... Jul 26 2011, 10:39 PM
Swell Box Mel will know the individuals concerned and the ci... Jul 27 2011, 12:09 PM
Barry Williams "if the matter is brought before the PCC ther... Jul 27 2011, 01:50 PM
Swell Box
"if the matter is brought before the PCC the... Jul 27 2011, 02:23 PM
vectistim The law might specify where the buck stops with th... Jul 27 2011, 02:11 PM
Barry Williams "There might then be a fighting chance that t... Jul 27 2011, 03:02 PM
Swell Box
"There might then be a fighting chance that ... Jul 27 2011, 03:18 PM
Barry Williams
[quote name='Barry Williams' post='1078860' date=... Jul 27 2011, 04:09 PM
anacrusis :D
How good to see that politics is politics, wher... Jul 27 2011, 03:14 PM
sbhoa Only skimmed through this so may have missed somet... Jul 27 2011, 05:01 PM
mel2 I'm currently awaiting a reply to my reply to ... Jul 27 2011, 05:46 PM
Stephen Barber I hate to see mention of the "offender" ... Jul 28 2011, 09:53 AM

Swell Box
I hate to see mention of the "offender... Jul 28 2011, 11:34 AM

Stephen Barber
Stephen; this is all very good advice, but it onl... Jul 28 2011, 12:17 PM
dotted quaver
I'm currently awaiting a reply to my reply to... Jul 28 2011, 10:44 PM
jod In my experience, until recently the best hymns fo... Jul 28 2011, 10:18 AM
mel2 Thanks, jod, my original question was about which ... Jul 28 2011, 12:06 PM
Barry Williams "Canon B20 does have a get out clause - the A... Jul 28 2011, 12:25 PM
Barry Williams "Anyone know how to convince PCC that this an... Jul 29 2011, 08:56 AM
Swell Box
"Anyone know how to convince PCC that this a... Jul 29 2011, 09:07 AM
mel2
"Anyone know how to convince PCC that this a... Jul 29 2011, 02:20 PM
jod
"Anyone know how to convince PCC that this ... Jul 29 2011, 07:46 PM
A.U.K Whilst I stand by what I say..with hindsight I did... Jul 29 2011, 09:39 PM
jod As I intimated, my family has also been the victim... Aug 1 2011, 08:26 AM
Swell Box Getting right back on topic, we had a very interes... Aug 8 2011, 09:19 AM
soccermom
However, the congregational response to these hy... Aug 8 2011, 10:51 AM

Swell Box
[quote name='Swell Box' post='1082078' date='Aug ... Aug 8 2011, 11:18 AM
mrbouffant
Vicaress: I agree, we should change it. (There wa... Aug 8 2011, 11:15 AM
jod
Vicaress: I agree, we should change it. (There w... Aug 8 2011, 12:38 PM
jod You proved my point perfectly. Just because the c... Aug 8 2011, 09:49 AM
fsharpminor In the 50's and 60's when I was brought up... Aug 8 2011, 11:01 AM
Swell Box There is one aspect of this story that I find quit... Aug 8 2011, 01:35 PM
Rogue Organist (New poster so apologies for dredging up old threa... Aug 24 2011, 08:27 AM
Vox Humana I find the best strategy in such situations is the... Aug 29 2011, 08:00 AM
carol*piano
You could try the following:
O Jesus, I have pro... Aug 29 2011, 10:51 AM
Dulcet
You could try the following:
O Jesus, I have pr... Sep 1 2011, 08:17 PM
jod
[quote name='carol*piano' post='1086525' date='Au... Sep 5 2011, 12:51 PM
Stephen Barber
..must say it is an improvement on Camberwell... Sep 7 2011, 08:56 AM
Barry Williams
[quote name='jod' post='1087924' date='Sep 5 2011... Sep 8 2011, 12:25 PM
Swell Box
"[i]....each week I see people cringe as th... Sep 9 2011, 02:51 PM
Barry Williams "[i]How low will these people stoop to get th... Aug 24 2011, 10:00 AM
mel2 I enjoyed Rogue Organist's guerilla tactic :... Aug 24 2011, 10:30 AM
Barry Williams "Barry, about the CCLI arrangements: if a ser... Aug 24 2011, 11:26 AM
mrbouffant
If the hymn books are used permission only needs ... Aug 24 2011, 01:16 PM
mel2 Thank you for the clarification Barry. :) Aug 24 2011, 12:06 PM
Barry Williams In law charges are exigible. The Performing Right... Aug 24 2011, 03:59 PM
principal4
In law charges are exigible.
'Exigible... Aug 24 2011, 05:51 PM
Aquarelle Off topic but I have just read through this thread... Aug 27 2011, 04:23 PM
vectistim I think the best one was a confirmation service I ... Aug 30 2011, 02:24 PM
mel2
the organist didn't recognise any of the pote... Aug 30 2011, 03:37 PM
madbassoonist
the organist didn't recognise any of the pot... Aug 31 2011, 07:14 PM
fsharpminor We also had 'There is a green hill far away... Aug 30 2011, 03:15 PM
Martin.Walters I play every week for a church(es), normally given... Aug 30 2011, 05:58 PM
fsharpminor
A good thing to do would be to change the words ... Aug 30 2011, 06:46 PM
Rogue Organist
A good thing to do would be to change the words o... Sep 5 2011, 06:53 PM
dotted quaver
You could try the following:
O Jesus, I have pr... Aug 30 2011, 07:38 PM
mel2 ^^^
I'm obliged to you, madbassoonist. -Sorr... Aug 31 2011, 08:35 PM
Swell Box
^^^
I'm obliged to you, madbassoonist. -Sor... Aug 31 2011, 08:36 PM
fsharpminor
^^^
I'm obliged to you, madbassoonist. -Sor... Aug 31 2011, 08:39 PM
Vox Humana Please let there be ONE other person in the world ... Aug 31 2011, 08:52 PM
fsharpminor I have never played 'All My Hope on God is fou... Sep 5 2011, 01:22 PM
Barry Williams Whilst 'Michael' is a sitirring tune, ... Sep 5 2011, 04:46 PM
Barry Williams Whenever I am called upon to play items such as ... Sep 5 2011, 07:12 PM
Stephen Barber
Many are now 'classics', on the lines of... Sep 5 2011, 09:04 PM
Barry Williams I have looked at my notes, which I should have don... Sep 5 2011, 09:58 PM
klavierkat Hello organists! I've never looked at the... Sep 5 2011, 10:15 PM
mel2
We're very lucky that our church (sadly not... Sep 9 2011, 08:29 PM
Barry Williams "..although the town is pretty traditional - ... Sep 9 2011, 07:50 PM![]() ![]() |
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