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madbassoonist	Dec 12 2011, 05:27 PM Post #16
Virtuoso Group: Members Posts: 2212 Joined: 23-February 09 From: South Cambs Member No.: 56880	QUOTE(flautando @ Dec 12 2011, 04:48 PM) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) viola-mad! Mr. Hazlewood is exciting. There was an article about Daniel Bangham of Wood, Wind & Reed in the Winter edition of Double Reed News. I was hoping to see more about him making the oboe and bassoon in the programme but we didn't see much. It was interesting watching the musicians first reaction to their 'new' instrument (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) WWR is our local music shop and Mr Bangham's son went to primary school with me, so we know the family quite well. In the summer I went to get my bassoon fixed at his workshop and was allowed to try both scrap bassoons (only partly made at that point) - one of only 4 people to play it, apparently (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I agree, would have been good to see more about the double reed instruments. I loved the tuba though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Tequila	Dec 12 2011, 06:24 PM Post #17
Virtuoso Group: Members Posts: 3877 Joined: 3-July 08 Member No.: 34208	I wonder if anyone on this forum actually attended the event in the Albert Hall ..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

nicki_flute	Dec 13 2011, 09:19 PM Post #18
Maestro Group: Members Posts: 30004 Joined: 18-June 04 Member No.: 1532	I enjoyed watching it but thought some people could have been a bit more open minded. I think the makers did a great job.

jod	Dec 13 2011, 09:39 PM Post #19
Maestro Group: Banned Posts: 9899 Joined: 14-January 05 From: Burwell, Cambridgeshire Member No.: 2939	Daniel showed me the Oboe when we went to buy Matthew's flute. He's actually rather proud of it! I've known him for the best part of thirty years now since he started fixing Oboes for me so it's rather nice to have the next generation learning a woodwind instrument too. Especially as he does work om mum's clarinets too. (she is an adult learner taking them up seriously after the age of 40).

Dulcet	Dec 13 2011, 11:45 PM Post #20
Prodigy Group: Members Posts: 1233 Joined: 6-July 10 Member No.: 112579	QUOTE(flautando @ Dec 12 2011, 04:48 PM) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) viola-mad! Mr. Hazlewood is exciting. There was an article about Daniel Bangham of Wood, Wind & Reed in the Winter edition of Double Reed News. I was hoping to see more about him making the oboe and bassoon in the programme but we didn't see much. It was interesting watching the musicians first reaction to their 'new' instrument (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) I wish they would do podcasts of all the deleted bits - there was room for a whole series over 6 weeks for us enthusiasts! So many lessons to learn. The final sound was quite "period" I thought. But I wanted to see more about the making of the wind and brass. I think that all the makers and the players must have taken a lot away from the experience. MORE MORE MORE!

OboePiano	Dec 14 2011, 09:56 AM Post #21
Member Group: Members Posts: 65 Joined: 19-February 11 Member No.: 212593	So glad I watched this programme- I enjoyed seeing the journeys that a lot of the instruments made, especially the strings! QUOTE(flautando @ Dec 12 2011, 04:48 PM) There was an article about Daniel Bangham of Wood, Wind & Reed in the Winter edition of Double Reed News. I was hoping to see more about him making the oboe and bassoon in the programme but we didn't see much. It was interesting watching the musicians first reaction to their 'new' instrument (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) I agree- I would have loved to have seen more about how he made those instruments! It was interesting to see how the other instruments were made, but the double reeds sounded really good- it would have been interesting to see how much he had to change his original designs (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I'll have to try and find that article though... QUOTE(madbassoonist @ Dec 12 2011, 05:27 PM) QUOTE(flautando @ Dec 12 2011, 04:48 PM) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) viola-mad! Mr. Hazlewood is exciting. There was an article about Daniel Bangham of Wood, Wind & Reed in the Winter edition of Double Reed News. I was hoping to see more about him making the oboe and bassoon in the programme but we didn't see much. It was interesting watching the musicians first reaction to their 'new' instrument (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) WWR is our local music shop and Mr Bangham's son went to primary school with me, so we know the family quite well. In the summer I went to get my bassoon fixed at his workshop and was allowed to try both scrap bassoons (only partly made at that point) - one of only 4 people to play it, apparently (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I agree, would have been good to see more about the double reed instruments. I loved the tuba though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(jod @ Dec 13 2011, 09:39 PM) Daniel showed me the Oboe when we went to buy Matthew's flute. He's actually rather proud of it! I've known him for the best part of thirty years now since he started fixing Oboes for me so it's rather nice to have the next generation learning a woodwind instrument too. Especially as he does work om mum's clarinets too. (she is an adult learner taking them up seriously after the age of 40). I thought his instruments sounded amazing! I'm taking my oboe to WWR next week for a service- maybe I'll see the oboes! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

flautando	Dec 14 2011, 10:19 AM Post #22
Member Group: Members Posts: 70 Joined: 9-September 11 From: N.W. Britain Member No.: 312889	Hi OboePiano, hope you get to see the oboes and bassoons Daniel Bangham made. I agree with Dulcet there could have been 6 weeks worth of programmes for us to enjoy. They could maybe have focussed on one instrument maker each week and we could have seen their progress from the earliest prototype through to the 'finished' instrument.

Tenor Viol	Dec 15 2011, 12:42 AM Post #23
Virtuoso Group: Members Posts: 2889 Joined: 25-October 11 From: Shropshire Member No.: 343214	I watched a recording of it the other night. It made a change to see a really interesting programme. I could have done without the formulaic 'reality tv' bits. It would have been nice to see more of the oboe/bassoon and rather less of the percussion. However, it was interesting. Maybe they'll do a series about instrument makers? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Arundodonuts	Dec 15 2011, 02:44 PM Post #24
Virtuoso Group: Members Posts: 4931 Joined: 14-May 08 From: Stockport Member No.: 30881	QUOTE(Tenor Viol @ Dec 15 2011, 12:42 AM) I watched a recording of it the other night. It made a change to see a really interesting programme. I could have done without the formulaic 'reality tv' bits. It would have been nice to see more of the oboe/bassoon and rather less of the percussion. However, it was interesting. Maybe they'll do a series about instrument makers? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Yes, I would have liked to see the oboe. Obviously because I play the thing but particularly because I would have liked to see how the technical challenges of building one (conical bore for example) were tackled. It was disappointing to see "proper" valves being used for the trumpets and horns when the poor old violin maker worked so hard to make something genuinely scrappy. Personally I think they would have been better off creating a scrap baroque band with keyless winds and natural trumpets and horns.

Roseau	Dec 15 2011, 03:02 PM Post #25
Virtuoso Group: Members Posts: 5792 Joined: 29-January 06 Member No.: 6007	QUOTE(pushpull @ Dec 15 2011, 03:44 PM) Yes, I would have liked to see the oboe. Obviously because I play the thing but particularly because I would have liked to see how the technical challenges of building one (conical bore for example) were tackled. The British double reed magazine had an article about them. The conical bore was obtained by using a golf-club (and weight was a problem with the finished instrument). If you haven't got the magazine and are interested I can go dig my copy out and give you a few more details.

Arundodonuts	Dec 15 2011, 06:46 PM Post #26
Virtuoso Group: Members Posts: 4931 Joined: 14-May 08 From: Stockport Member No.: 30881	QUOTE(kerioboe @ Dec 15 2011, 03:02 PM) QUOTE(pushpull @ Dec 15 2011, 03:44 PM) Yes, I would have liked to see the oboe. Obviously because I play the thing but particularly because I would have liked to see how the technical challenges of building one (conical bore for example) were tackled. The British double reed magazine had an article about them. The conical bore was obtained by using a golf-club (and weight was a problem with the finished instrument). If you haven't got the magazine and are interested I can go dig my copy out and give you a few more details. It would be nice to know. I do recall now some mention of golf clubs in the programme.

Tenor Viol	Dec 15 2011, 11:05 PM Post #27
Virtuoso Group: Members Posts: 2889 Joined: 25-October 11 From: Shropshire Member No.: 343214	QUOTE(pushpull @ Dec 15 2011, 02:44 PM) QUOTE(Tenor Viol @ Dec 15 2011, 12:42 AM) I watched a recording of it the other night. It made a change to see a really interesting programme. I could have done without the formulaic 'reality tv' bits. It would have been nice to see more of the oboe/bassoon and rather less of the percussion. However, it was interesting. Maybe they'll do a series about instrument makers? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Yes, I would have liked to see the oboe. Obviously because I play the thing but particularly because I would have liked to see how the technical challenges of building one (conical bore for example) were tackled. It was disappointing to see "proper" valves being used for the trumpets and horns when the poor old violin maker worked so hard to make something genuinely scrappy. Personally I think they would have been better off creating a scrap baroque band with keyless winds and natural trumpets and horns. YEs, I thought the brass and percussion got away with an easy time, relatively speaking. I agree I think a baroque orchestra would have been a more realistic option in many ways, but Mr. Man-in-the-street wouldn't understand that (wouldn't have bothered the BBC in the 70s (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) )

Celloman26	Dec 17 2011, 12:02 PM Post #28
Member Group: Members Posts: 71 Joined: 1-November 11 From: London Member No.: 346943	Hi all, I finally got round to watching it last night. I agree with many of the statements and thought is was a little too reality TV-like. Having said that, what a fascinating pregramme! I really wanted to see more of the bassoons in particular as they are complicated intruments to make as opposed to the percussion. On an aside, the scrap bassoons reminded me of playing my first school bassoon, though the scrap ones were probably better! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) The clarinets sounded great, as did the flutes. I was also very impressed with the sound of the horns, which sounded much like proper horns I think.

Roseau	Dec 17 2011, 01:30 PM Post #29
Virtuoso Group: Members Posts: 5792 Joined: 29-January 06 Member No.: 6007	QUOTE(pushpull @ Dec 15 2011, 07:46 PM) QUOTE(kerioboe @ Dec 15 2011, 03:02 PM) QUOTE(pushpull @ Dec 15 2011, 03:44 PM) Yes, I would have liked to see the oboe. Obviously because I play the thing but particularly because I would have liked to see how the technical challenges of building one (conical bore for example) were tackled. The British double reed magazine had an article about them. The conical bore was obtained by using a golf-club (and weight was a problem with the finished instrument). If you haven't got the magazine and are interested I can go dig my copy out and give you a few more details. It would be nice to know. I do recall now some mention of golf clubs in the programme. The oboe was made from a fishing rod and the bassoon from a golf-club. To get the bore he wanted, he cut them up and then re-assembled them like a telescopic radio arial. He also used bits of windscreen wipers and cutlery but the article doesn't say where or how.

Arundodonuts	Dec 17 2011, 02:30 PM Post #30
Virtuoso Group: Members Posts: 4931 Joined: 14-May 08 From: Stockport Member No.: 30881	QUOTE(kerioboe @ Dec 17 2011, 01:30 PM) The oboe was made from a fishing rod and the bassoon from a golf-club. To get the bore he wanted, he cut them up and then re-assembled them like a telescopic radio arial. He also used bits of windscreen wipers and cutlery but the article doesn't say where or how. Ah thanks for that. I would imagine the cutlery was used for keywork (as did the clarinet maker).

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