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| Is 3/8 compound time or simple time? |
| Roseau |
 Feb 21 2012, 10:28 PM
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I thought that 3/8 was simple time because you would divide each quaver beat into semi-quavers (ie into 2, whereas 6/8 is compound because each dotted crotchet beat can be divided into 3 quavers). However, I am teaching English to some French music students and they all spontaneously said that it was compound time because the three quavers added up to a dotted crotchet.
I am inclined to think that they are right as they are very good players (as in at least 1st diploma) and as this is France they have done a lot of theory as well but part of me is not convinced since you would then theoretically only have 1 beat in a bar. Or am I missing something obvious? *confused* (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) |
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| sbhoa |
Feb 21 2012, 10:31 PM
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It's simple triple.
Has to be a multiple of 3 but not 3 itself for compound time. If it was compound it would be one in a bar and by the same reasoning 3/4 would also be compound as is 6/4. |
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Roseau Is 3/8 compound time or simple time? Feb 21 2012, 10:28 PM
Tenor Viol It's simple triple.
Has to be a multiple of 3... Feb 21 2012, 10:38 PM
Robodoc
It's simple triple.
Has to be a multiple of ... Feb 21 2012, 11:57 PM kenm I'm intrigued: Tell us the other story. Plea... Feb 22 2012, 02:34 PM Tenor Viol [quote name='Tenor Viol' post='1130384' date='Feb... Feb 23 2012, 12:53 AM katica
[quote name='Robodoc' post='1130391' date='Feb 21... Feb 23 2012, 02:24 AM owainsutton
Nothwithstanding the knowledgeable French pupils... Feb 23 2012, 09:04 AM sbhoa
Nothwithstanding the knowledgeable French pupils... Feb 23 2012, 12:17 PM owainsutton
But would that make 3/4 compound when conducted/c... Feb 23 2012, 12:32 PM linda.ff
But would that make 3/4 compound when conducted/... Feb 23 2012, 01:24 PM owainsutton
And if 3/8 can't be simple time, where does t... Feb 23 2012, 02:50 PM linda.ff
[quote name='linda.ff' post='1130677' date='Feb 2... Feb 23 2012, 04:14 PM owainsutton
You seem to be suggesting that "1" can... Feb 23 2012, 04:53 PM anacrusis
So is 3/4 compound as well, if 3/8 is?
Did I sa... Feb 23 2012, 06:47 PM linda.ff
You seem to be suggesting that "1" ca... Feb 23 2012, 07:09 PM kenm
But would that make 3/4 compound when conducted/... Feb 25 2012, 09:20 PM Tenor Viol
[quote name='Robodoc' post='1130391' date='Feb 2... Feb 25 2012, 05:41 PM katica
Thanks for spotting that - I was very tired when ... Feb 25 2012, 08:16 PM owainsutton
It's simple triple.
Has to be a multiple of 3... Feb 21 2012, 11:05 PM fsharpminor Yes Simple Triple, 3/8 is the same as 3/4 or 3/2 Feb 22 2012, 08:19 AM owainsutton
Yes Simple Triple, 3/8 is the same as 3/4 or 3/2
... Feb 22 2012, 08:47 AM linda.ff
Yes Simple Triple, 3/8 is the same as 3/4 or 3/2... Feb 22 2012, 09:13 AM fsharpminor
Yes Simple Triple, 3/8 is the same as 3/4 or 3/2... Feb 22 2012, 09:13 AM Roseau
However, that list clearly is missing "singl... Feb 22 2012, 09:16 AM owainsutton
So would you describe 3/8 as "single" t... Feb 22 2012, 09:20 AM linda.ff
So would you describe 3/8 as "single" ... Feb 22 2012, 09:38 AM Roseau
So would you describe 3/8 as "single" ... Feb 22 2012, 09:44 AM linda.ff
They unanimously rejected "simple triple... Feb 22 2012, 09:59 AM owainsutton
[quote name='Roseau' post='1130423' date='Feb 22 ... Feb 22 2012, 10:29 AM linda.ff
Do they not admit of the possibility of a quave... Feb 22 2012, 10:51 AM agricola How do you conduct 1 in a bar ? Feb 23 2012, 01:26 PM Roseau
How do you conduct 1 in a bar ?
A bit like bounc... Feb 23 2012, 01:32 PM anacrusis So is 3/4 compound as well, if 3/8 is?
For me the... Feb 23 2012, 03:58 PM Tenor Viol Basically the flaw in our notation system is there... Feb 23 2012, 08:20 PM linda.ff
Basically the flaw in our notation system is ther... Feb 23 2012, 08:49 PM Tenor Viol
Basically the flaw in our notation system is the... Feb 24 2012, 08:15 AM owainsutton
[quote name='owainsutton' post='1130724' date='Fe... Feb 23 2012, 09:11 PM linda.ff
[quote name='linda.ff' post='1130763' date='Feb ... Feb 23 2012, 10:38 PM Roseau I am amazed by the number of replies - I half thou... Feb 23 2012, 10:19 PM JimM So how does one classify the time signatures in Ba... Feb 23 2012, 10:28 PM owainsutton
So how does one classify the time signatures in B... Feb 23 2012, 10:31 PM Maizie Is that Compound time or Confused time?
http://a5.... Feb 24 2012, 07:42 AM anacrusis Maizie - fab - think I'll play all my pieces i... Feb 24 2012, 07:24 PM briantrumpet I think this debate highlights the conceptual prob... Feb 26 2012, 05:40 PM Aquarelle There exists a sort of bible for French music theo... Mar 25 2012, 05:25 PM kenm The rule seems to be that if the sum of the values... Mar 25 2012, 05:47 PM linda.ff
There exists a sort of bible for French music the... Mar 26 2012, 08:38 PM kenm For my part, I doubt that bars can contain just on... Mar 26 2012, 10:27 PM linda.ff
For my part, I doubt that bars can contain just o... Mar 26 2012, 10:37 PM owainsutton
Yes, but does a "beat" as given by a co... Mar 26 2012, 10:58 PM katica I asked my teacher and his first answer was compou... Mar 26 2012, 12:43 AM Roseau Not exactly on topic but provides an interesting i... Mar 26 2012, 08:24 PM sbhoa
Not exactly on topic but provides an interesting ... Mar 26 2012, 08:49 PM owainsutton
I dare say that the same is true over here where ... Mar 26 2012, 08:59 PM sbhoa
I dare say that the same is true over here where... Mar 26 2012, 09:11 PM owainsutton
I've known people work very hard at not retai... Mar 26 2012, 09:19 PM Roseau
I dare say that the same is true over here where ... Mar 27 2012, 08:53 PM |
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