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> Is 3/8 compound time or simple time?
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post Feb 21 2012, 10:28 PM
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I thought that 3/8 was simple time because you would divide each quaver beat into semi-quavers (ie into 2, whereas 6/8 is compound because each dotted crotchet beat can be divided into 3 quavers). However, I am teaching English to some French music students and they all spontaneously said that it was compound time because the three quavers added up to a dotted crotchet.

I am inclined to think that they are right as they are very good players (as in at least 1st diploma) and as this is France they have done a lot of theory as well but part of me is not convinced since you would then theoretically only have 1 beat in a bar. Or am I missing something obvious? *confused* (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)
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post Mar 26 2012, 12:43 AM
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I asked my teacher and his first answer was compound, just like Roseau's students... To which I then asked how it would sound any different from 3/4 time (which is simple). Then he said that it also depends on how it's conducted. And that in the end the theory doesn't in practice really matter much. What the conductor decides does.
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Roseau   Is 3/8 compound time or simple time?   Feb 21 2012, 10:28 PM
sbhoa   It's simple triple. Has to be a multiple of 3 ...   Feb 21 2012, 10:31 PM
Tenor Viol   It's simple triple. Has to be a multiple of 3...   Feb 21 2012, 10:38 PM
Robodoc   It's simple triple. Has to be a multiple of ...   Feb 21 2012, 11:57 PM
kenm   I'm intrigued: Tell us the other story. Plea...   Feb 22 2012, 02:34 PM
Tenor Viol   [quote name='Tenor Viol' post='1130384' date='Feb...   Feb 23 2012, 12:53 AM
katica   [quote name='Robodoc' post='1130391' date='Feb 21...   Feb 23 2012, 02:24 AM
owainsutton   Nothwithstanding the knowledgeable French pupils...   Feb 23 2012, 09:04 AM
sbhoa   Nothwithstanding the knowledgeable French pupils...   Feb 23 2012, 12:17 PM
owainsutton   But would that make 3/4 compound when conducted/c...   Feb 23 2012, 12:32 PM
linda.ff   But would that make 3/4 compound when conducted/...   Feb 23 2012, 01:24 PM
owainsutton   And if 3/8 can't be simple time, where does t...   Feb 23 2012, 02:50 PM
linda.ff   [quote name='linda.ff' post='1130677' date='Feb 2...   Feb 23 2012, 04:14 PM
owainsutton   You seem to be suggesting that "1" can...   Feb 23 2012, 04:53 PM
anacrusis   So is 3/4 compound as well, if 3/8 is? Did I sa...   Feb 23 2012, 06:47 PM
linda.ff   You seem to be suggesting that "1" ca...   Feb 23 2012, 07:09 PM
kenm   But would that make 3/4 compound when conducted/...   Feb 25 2012, 09:20 PM
Tenor Viol   [quote name='Robodoc' post='1130391' date='Feb 2...   Feb 25 2012, 05:41 PM
katica   Thanks for spotting that - I was very tired when ...   Feb 25 2012, 08:16 PM
owainsutton   It's simple triple. Has to be a multiple of 3...   Feb 21 2012, 11:05 PM
fsharpminor   Yes Simple Triple, 3/8 is the same as 3/4 or 3/2   Feb 22 2012, 08:19 AM
owainsutton   Yes Simple Triple, 3/8 is the same as 3/4 or 3/2 ...   Feb 22 2012, 08:47 AM
linda.ff   Yes Simple Triple, 3/8 is the same as 3/4 or 3/2...   Feb 22 2012, 09:13 AM
fsharpminor   Yes Simple Triple, 3/8 is the same as 3/4 or 3/2...   Feb 22 2012, 09:13 AM
Roseau   However, that list clearly is missing "singl...   Feb 22 2012, 09:16 AM
owainsutton   So would you describe 3/8 as "single" t...   Feb 22 2012, 09:20 AM
linda.ff   So would you describe 3/8 as "single" ...   Feb 22 2012, 09:38 AM
Roseau   So would you describe 3/8 as "single" ...   Feb 22 2012, 09:44 AM
linda.ff   They unanimously rejected "simple triple...   Feb 22 2012, 09:59 AM
owainsutton   [quote name='Roseau' post='1130423' date='Feb 22 ...   Feb 22 2012, 10:29 AM
linda.ff   Do they not admit of the possibility of a quave...   Feb 22 2012, 10:51 AM
agricola   How do you conduct 1 in a bar ?   Feb 23 2012, 01:26 PM
Roseau   How do you conduct 1 in a bar ? A bit like bounc...   Feb 23 2012, 01:32 PM
anacrusis   So is 3/4 compound as well, if 3/8 is? For me the...   Feb 23 2012, 03:58 PM
Tenor Viol   Basically the flaw in our notation system is there...   Feb 23 2012, 08:20 PM
linda.ff   Basically the flaw in our notation system is ther...   Feb 23 2012, 08:49 PM
Tenor Viol   Basically the flaw in our notation system is the...   Feb 24 2012, 08:15 AM
owainsutton   [quote name='owainsutton' post='1130724' date='Fe...   Feb 23 2012, 09:11 PM
linda.ff   [quote name='linda.ff' post='1130763' date='Feb ...   Feb 23 2012, 10:38 PM
Roseau   I am amazed by the number of replies - I half thou...   Feb 23 2012, 10:19 PM
JimM   So how does one classify the time signatures in Ba...   Feb 23 2012, 10:28 PM
owainsutton   So how does one classify the time signatures in B...   Feb 23 2012, 10:31 PM
Maizie   Is that Compound time or Confused time? http://a5....   Feb 24 2012, 07:42 AM
anacrusis   Maizie - fab - think I'll play all my pieces i...   Feb 24 2012, 07:24 PM
briantrumpet   I think this debate highlights the conceptual prob...   Feb 26 2012, 05:40 PM
Aquarelle   There exists a sort of bible for French music theo...   Mar 25 2012, 05:25 PM
kenm   The rule seems to be that if the sum of the values...   Mar 25 2012, 05:47 PM
linda.ff   There exists a sort of bible for French music the...   Mar 26 2012, 08:38 PM
kenm   For my part, I doubt that bars can contain just on...   Mar 26 2012, 10:27 PM
linda.ff   For my part, I doubt that bars can contain just o...   Mar 26 2012, 10:37 PM
owainsutton   Yes, but does a "beat" as given by a co...   Mar 26 2012, 10:58 PM
katica   I asked my teacher and his first answer was compou...   Mar 26 2012, 12:43 AM
Roseau   Not exactly on topic but provides an interesting i...   Mar 26 2012, 08:24 PM
sbhoa   Not exactly on topic but provides an interesting ...   Mar 26 2012, 08:49 PM
owainsutton   I dare say that the same is true over here where ...   Mar 26 2012, 08:59 PM
sbhoa   I dare say that the same is true over here where...   Mar 26 2012, 09:11 PM
owainsutton   I've known people work very hard at not retai...   Mar 26 2012, 09:19 PM
Roseau   I dare say that the same is true over here where ...   Mar 27 2012, 08:53 PM

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