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> Nightmare teacher rant!
FullofWind
post May 14 2012, 02:16 PM
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post May 17 2012, 12:24 PM
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Reflecting more about choosing my own teacher but hopefully helpful.

I think the ideal teacher has to combine two different but equally important skills neither of which is necessarily reflected in the current qualifications.

1. They need to technically know their stuff - e.g. they need to know what is "good technique" on their instrument, how to recognise (and fix) poor technique, including issues that they personally haven't had to deal with, a knowledge of the repertoire of the instrument.

2. They need the skills to be able to teach - they need to be able to communicate their knowledge effectively, build rapport with the pupil, inspire them to learn etc.

Having either one missing leads to problems. A lot of examples quoted here seem to be around teachers that have knowledge but can't teach. This is an easy one to spot as it becomes immediately apparent, lessons aren't enjoyable, you don't build rapport with the teacher.

But I think having teaching skills without knowledge is a bit more of a problem as it can take a long time to reveal itself (especially as a beginner). It often doesn't manifest itself for a few years when you reach a plateau that you just can't get beyond because of a fundamental problem in technique that your teacher doesn't have the skill to recognise, or the teacher is unable to identify suitable repertoire for you. The lessons become increasingly frustrating and as a pupil you wonder if it is just you and whether you are really suited to this instrument. But you don't want to change teachers because your teacher is really nice and you get on with them so well......This was the case with my first oboe teacher and I ended up stopping lessons.

So while I agree that qualifications are not the be all and end all. So someone with "only" Grade 8 may actually have a very sound understanding of technique and the instrument and be perfectly qualified to teach but equally some won't. It is very difficult as pupil though to gauge whether you are being taught the right things and whether you are developing good technique which is why people tend to look for evidence of higher qualifications. But, as has been said, teaching skills are needed, but these should really be AS WELL AS, but not INSTEAD OF technical competence on the instrument.
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FullofWind   Nightmare teacher rant!   May 14 2012, 02:16 PM
Minstrel   :blink: ????????????   May 14 2012, 03:22 PM
Chris H   No show? :(   May 14 2012, 03:28 PM
Listener   Large G&T. Keep breathing   May 14 2012, 04:42 PM
Louise H   Deep breaths and let it out slowly! Hope it...   May 14 2012, 04:50 PM
FullofWind   Maybe I was just spoiled by the excellent teacher ...   May 14 2012, 05:29 PM
notmusimum   Maybe I was just spoiled by the excellent teacher...   May 14 2012, 07:38 PM
Scooby Doo   C'mon then, what's happened? Your rant kin...   May 14 2012, 07:53 PM
andante   Why is it that there are any number of threads ded...   May 15 2012, 08:52 AM
Chris H   Why is it that there are any number of threads de...   May 15 2012, 09:08 AM
Crotchetymum   Why is it that there are any number of threads d...   May 15 2012, 10:17 AM
FullofWind   Eek, sorry if I've caused trouble. I didn...   May 15 2012, 09:59 AM
Ayshah   I am utterly lost! :( What is this about? ...   May 15 2012, 10:02 AM
GMc   Well, I am the opposite of lost thanks to this thr...   May 15 2012, 10:34 AM
Scooby Doo   Well, I'd like to say thanks to EdGJ for moder...   May 15 2012, 10:59 AM
notmusimum   It's always been the same on this forum that t...   May 15 2012, 11:04 AM
Scooby Doo   Really? I seem to recall plenty of discussions eit...   May 15 2012, 11:22 AM
notmusimum   Really? I seem to recall plenty of discussions ei...   May 15 2012, 12:54 PM
onemoretime   Maybe as parents when looking for teachers we shou...   May 16 2012, 01:22 PM
owainsutton   Maybe as parents when looking for teachers we sho...   May 16 2012, 09:19 PM
chraze1   Maybe as parents when looking for teachers we sho...   May 16 2012, 10:22 PM
onemoretime   Maybe as parents when looking for teachers we sh...   May 17 2012, 10:07 PM
owainsutton   Firstly I would expect a Maths teacher to have mo...   May 17 2012, 10:33 PM
recollect   My intention was not to be nasty as I am not a nas...   May 16 2012, 03:08 PM
FullofWind   !It seems like we as teachers arent allowed to...   May 16 2012, 03:33 PM
notmusimum   My intention was not to be nasty as I am not a na...   May 16 2012, 06:50 PM
Seer_Green   I've been on this forum for more than 6 years...   May 16 2012, 08:39 PM
notmusimum   [I suppose that I come back to the same thing ove...   May 16 2012, 09:43 PM
andante   recollect, things are likely to be from a parent...   May 16 2012, 03:55 PM
recollect   My post to you notmusimum WAS sarcastic and not me...   May 16 2012, 07:57 PM
Ayshah   But of course we all know teachers of any subject ...   May 16 2012, 08:37 PM
violincjj   and where there IS discord let us bring harmony ...   May 16 2012, 09:04 PM
notmusimum   and where there IS discord let us bring harmony ...   May 16 2012, 09:59 PM
recollect   Wow,very powerful statements from the last few mes...   May 16 2012, 09:52 PM
recollect   You seem to me notmusimum to be the model parent w...   May 16 2012, 10:06 PM
notmusimum   You seem to me notmusimum to be the model parent ...   May 17 2012, 07:40 AM
violincjj   It's a lot easier to believe that the teacher ...   May 17 2012, 06:47 AM
notmusimum   It's a lot easier to believe that the teacher...   May 17 2012, 08:01 AM
andante   I was having a similar coversation elsewhere recen...   May 17 2012, 07:58 AM
saxophile   I was having a similar coversation elsewhere rece...   May 17 2012, 11:44 AM
flobiano   Reflecting more about choosing my own teacher but ...   May 17 2012, 12:24 PM
Claudia's Mum   It often doesn't manifest itself for a few ye...   May 17 2012, 02:03 PM
Seer_Green   All you parents must be very astute because in 1...   May 17 2012, 02:53 PM
Claudia's Mum   [quote name='Claudia's Mum' post='1148649' da...   May 17 2012, 07:30 PM
FullofWind   I probably wouldn't employ a teacher that did ...   May 17 2012, 01:42 PM
Seer_Green   I probably wouldn't employ a teacher that did...   May 17 2012, 01:45 PM
owainsutton   I probably wouldn't employ a teacher that did...   May 17 2012, 02:14 PM
ExpressYourself   Actually when I was a school teacher in secondary ...   May 17 2012, 02:19 PM
jonathanquinn   Due to having redaction by moderators I now have n...   May 17 2012, 05:08 PM
BadStrad   2. I would be very surprised if I found myself em...   May 17 2012, 07:29 PM
ExpressYourself   Wow Jonathan, what an experience you've had. ...   May 17 2012, 05:39 PM
corenfa   I started learning at age 4 with a teacher who ...   May 17 2012, 06:24 PM
Impressionist   ...But I think you'd agree that your bog stan...   May 17 2012, 07:00 PM
Seer_Green   I was thinking about this earlier as I had two new...   May 17 2012, 10:24 PM
FullofWind   I was thinking about this earlier as I had two ne...   May 18 2012, 10:49 AM
Seer_Green   I'm sure you are an excellent teacher Seer Gr...   May 18 2012, 11:31 AM
recollect   Hi Notmusimum.No I didnt know that your daughter w...   May 17 2012, 10:40 PM
jonathanquinn   Yes, correct in assuming that I am based in inner ...   May 17 2012, 10:43 PM
anacrusis   This and the other thread about nightmare parent b...   May 18 2012, 12:01 AM
flobiano   ...Ultimately - teachers have to be able to teach...   May 18 2012, 08:12 AM
anacrusis   ...Those who know enough about music to judge can...   May 18 2012, 11:14 PM
jonathanquinn   Not all gymnastics coaches have themselves been t...   May 19 2012, 12:32 AM
notmusimum   All teachers start out not having taught. Most ha...   May 19 2012, 06:57 AM
jonathanquinn   Good to be reminded that diploma is 3rd declension...   May 18 2012, 02:33 AM
ExpressYourself   Firstly I would expect a Maths teacher to have mo...   May 18 2012, 07:06 AM
Chris H   I would be horrified if the head of maths, or even...   May 18 2012, 07:46 AM
Ayshah   When I was at Grammer school in the 70s many of my...   May 18 2012, 09:03 AM
jonathanquinn   Oh three of my children went to the Centre for Y...   May 18 2012, 02:54 PM
Ayshah   Oh three of my children went to the Centre for ...   May 22 2012, 12:07 PM
Listener   LSSO had a large contingent of children who atten...   May 22 2012, 01:55 PM
notmusimum   The tendency of music centre staff to favour pupi...   May 22 2012, 05:02 PM
sbhoa   Does it matter how many of your pupils are grade...   May 18 2012, 10:35 AM
notmusimum   On clarinet I'm not grade 8 yet but once agai...   May 18 2012, 04:36 PM
all ears   A timely subject...son Viohazard has been at unive...   May 18 2012, 12:18 PM
Chris H   A timely subject...son Viohazard has been at univ...   May 18 2012, 01:29 PM
Scooby Doo   carpet-beating approach to piano :rofl: :rofl:...   May 18 2012, 08:51 PM
Listener   This is a real problem for string players, where ...   May 18 2012, 05:13 PM
katica   I've been reading this thread with interest fr...   May 19 2012, 05:50 PM

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