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> The importance of a distinction
FullofWind
post May 22 2012, 07:26 AM
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Should you only sit grade 8 when you know there is a very high chance that a distinction will be achieved? There will be musicians for whom this would be a mammoth task but if a child was capable of getting a comfortable pass, would it be better to wait up to two years until they were beyond distinction level? How are resits viewed by conservatoires if a child wishes to gain a distinction at a later date?
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post May 22 2012, 07:39 AM
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QUOTE(FullofWind @ May 22 2012, 09:26 AM) *

Should you only sit grade 8 when you know there is a very high chance that a distinction will be achieved?


If that were the case, then the pass mark should be set at distinction level, and we would scrap the ordinary pass and merit grades. There is no correct answer. It all depends on the student, their musical ambitions, and their reason for takling the exam.

I know that those few instrumentalists hoping to make careers as professional performers are entering a very competitive arena, but does competition in musical performance ("X got a distinction, Y "" only" achieved a pass") really have to be introduced so early, for everyone??
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QUOTE(VH2 @ May 22 2012, 08:39 AM) *

but does competition in musical performance ("X got a distinction, Y "" only" achieved a pass") really have to be introduced so early, for everyone??


Sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean. My question is not relating to comparing other students - I have no interest in the grade or result of other performers. My son does want to go to music college though and as we are not exam focused I just want to know if it's always better to wait for a distinction. I'm not quite sure how it would work though. Would he continue to play the same pieces for years until they were distinction level? This would bore him.
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QUOTE(FullofWind @ May 22 2012, 08:59 AM) *

Would he continue to play the same pieces for years until they were distinction level? This would bore him.

It would bore anyone! I think that this misses the point though. Whether someone plays at distinction level isn't necessarily because they spend a long time and put a lof of effort into learning the exam pieces. It's surely dependent on the work and prep which has gone in before that on a whole host of other things - pieces, scales, technique, musicianship etc. There's a subtle difference between someone having to learn the exam pieces because they're not quite at that standard, and someone learning them who's already reached that standard. The latter may have spent longer on other things, but there's likely to have been more variety; the former is likely to have to spend more time on the exam pieces, hence, boredom sets in.

I'm pretty sure that this 'quest' for distinctions is a relatively new thing. When I was at school, we were all sufficiently pleased to pass - after all, the past mark is considerably higher than most exams these days (often 40%) - if the average mark is still around 117, that's 78% and to my mind, that's a superb result in itself. I didn't get a merit until Grade 5, and I only passed Grade 8. I always worked to do the best I could, but I never set out to 'try' and get a merit or a distinction. We always considered these to be a bonus, particularly at the higher grades. There are a lot of things which make someone a 'distinction candidate', and a good proportion of these are not related to playing the pieces.

I agree with others that for music college entry, whether he's got a piece of paper which says 'Grade 8 with distinction' will be largely irrelevant. Successful entry to music college is about a lot more than just performing excellence on one instrument.
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FullofWind   The importance of a distinction   May 22 2012, 07:26 AM
VH2   Should you only sit grade 8 when you know there i...   May 22 2012, 07:39 AM
FullofWind   but does competition in musical performance (...   May 22 2012, 07:59 AM
flobiano   but does competition in musical performance (...   May 22 2012, 08:15 AM
Seer_Green   Would he continue to play the same pieces for yea...   May 22 2012, 08:48 AM
VH2   but does competition in musical performance (...   May 22 2012, 09:31 AM
Listener   but does competition in musical performance (...   May 22 2012, 02:03 PM
barry-clari   Should you only sit grade 8 when you know there i...   May 22 2012, 07:56 AM
Scooby Doo   It all depends..... Is there any pressing need to...   May 22 2012, 08:09 AM
Dulcet   Should you only sit grade 8 when you know there i...   May 22 2012, 08:14 AM
Listener   S/he doesn't have to stick to Grade 8 level pi...   May 22 2012, 08:22 AM
Claudia's Mum   All I can say is that, of the children we know, no...   May 22 2012, 08:31 AM
Dulcet   All I can say is that, of the children we know, n...   May 22 2012, 08:48 AM
FullofWind   Lots of very good responses, thank you. :) We a...   May 22 2012, 08:52 AM
Claudia's Mum   Lots of very good responses, thank you. :) We ...   May 22 2012, 09:22 AM
Susie   He could always sit the exam and see how it went. ...   May 22 2012, 09:17 AM
andante   I would leave it. My daughter got a high merit in...   May 22 2012, 10:16 AM
Ayshah   Looking at your queries I would say if the applica...   May 22 2012, 10:31 AM
Seer_Green   Looking at your queries I would say if the applic...   May 22 2012, 10:35 AM
Bagpuss   I'm with Baz here - conservatoires aren't ...   May 22 2012, 05:11 PM
Dulcet   The majority of pieces set for the higher grade...   May 22 2012, 05:20 PM
anacrusis   Is it not perfectly possible to pass a high grade,...   May 22 2012, 07:08 PM
notmusimum   Should you only sit grade 8 when you know there i...   May 22 2012, 07:33 PM
Listener   In terms though of ambitious parent seeking a par...   May 22 2012, 07:52 PM
notmusimum   In terms though of ambitious parent seeking a pa...   May 22 2012, 08:31 PM
Listener   [quote name='Listener' post='1149726' date='May 2...   May 22 2012, 08:36 PM
anacrusis   Questions on the forum usually encompass more than...   May 22 2012, 09:43 PM
violincjj   Youngest son took Gd 7 flute and Gd 7 violin when ...   May 23 2012, 06:48 AM
FullofWind   Youngest son took Gd 7 flute and Gd 7 violin when...   May 23 2012, 07:11 AM
Seer_Green   Did you realise by grade 7 that exams were a wast...   May 23 2012, 07:29 AM
notmusimum   Youngest son took Gd 7 flute and Gd 7 violin when...   May 23 2012, 08:11 AM
Ayshah   We did this before. For some the exam is a goal t...   May 23 2012, 08:17 AM
barncottagecat   It's all very well saying that a grade 8 disti...   May 23 2012, 09:48 AM
Ayshah   :) ;) It's all very well saying that a grade...   May 23 2012, 10:25 AM
Halka   ... for the NYO application they ask for a copy o...   May 23 2012, 12:00 PM
barncottagecat   ... for the NYO application they ask for a copy ...   May 23 2012, 01:54 PM
Yet another muso   [quote name='Halka' post='1149819' date='May 23 2...   May 24 2012, 11:45 AM
Ayshah   [quote name='Halka' post='1149819' date='May 23 ...   May 24 2012, 12:01 PM
VH2   It's all very well saying that a grade 8 dist...   May 24 2012, 11:02 AM
Arundodonuts   It's all very well saying that a grade 8 dis...   May 24 2012, 11:31 AM
VH2   [quote name='VH2' post='1149987' date='May 24 201...   May 24 2012, 02:22 PM
Arundodonuts   [quote name='Arundodonuts' post='1149995' date='M...   May 24 2012, 06:47 PM
VH2   [quote name='VH2' post='1150022' date='May 24 201...   May 25 2012, 08:57 AM
Arundodonuts   Are you trying to be perverse and argumentative? ...   May 25 2012, 09:05 AM
Dulcet   But if we are to have several sections in the gr...   May 26 2012, 07:39 PM
sbhoa   But if we are to have several sections in the g...   May 26 2012, 07:46 PM
notmusimum   You would receive a written report on the perform...   May 24 2012, 07:06 PM
Seer_Green   Distinction is something to aim for even if it...   May 24 2012, 08:44 PM
willobie   Distinction is something to aim for even if it...   May 24 2012, 08:53 PM
FullofWind   Distinction is something to aim for even if it...   May 24 2012, 09:08 PM
notmusimum   Distinction is something to aim for even if it...   May 25 2012, 04:29 PM
andante   The whole process is quite different this year Hal...   May 23 2012, 01:57 PM
notmusimum   I would have been very much in the camp that grade...   May 23 2012, 04:30 PM
Chris H   That is very unfair, and perhaps you should write ...   May 24 2012, 12:13 PM
Yet another muso   That is very unfair, and perhaps you should write...   May 24 2012, 12:30 PM
anacrusis   *is heartily glad you don't have to pass all c...   May 24 2012, 03:12 PM
VH2   *is heartily glad you don't have to pass all ...   May 24 2012, 03:48 PM
anacrusis   Look though at what is happening to all the univer...   May 24 2012, 04:15 PM
andante   It's like saying that children shouldn't t...   May 24 2012, 09:28 PM
Seer_Green   For those who are candidates for NYO NCO and Cons...   May 24 2012, 10:07 PM
Chris H   For those who are candidates for NYO NCO and Con...   May 24 2012, 10:25 PM
Chris H   But - just to make it clear - you do not need to h...   May 24 2012, 09:48 PM
Cyrilla   Distinction is something to aim for even if it...   May 24 2012, 10:12 PM
andante   And I didn't say you couldn't get in witho...   May 25 2012, 08:36 AM
FullofWind   Why should the student not see the grade? I get ve...   May 25 2012, 09:26 AM
Chris H   Why should the student not see the grade? I get v...   May 25 2012, 09:58 AM
VH2   Why should the student not see the grade? I get v...   May 25 2012, 01:52 PM
sbhoa   Why should the student not see the grade? I get ...   May 25 2012, 01:56 PM
FullofWind   Why should the student not see the grade? I get ...   May 25 2012, 02:18 PM
VH2   I don't think any of the elements are pointle...   May 25 2012, 03:39 PM
Maizie   practical harmony (adding harmony to a melody, rea...   May 25 2012, 04:00 PM
Roseau   To play well you need some sight-reading ability...   May 25 2012, 04:03 PM
Chris H   Perseverance :lol: Scales and arpeggios are what ...   May 25 2012, 02:43 PM
FullofWind   Perseverance :lol: Scales and arpeggios are what...   May 25 2012, 03:07 PM
Chris H   Perseverance :lol: Scales and arpeggios are wha...   May 25 2012, 04:08 PM
STRINGMUM   The person who gets a distinction by playing well ...   May 25 2012, 04:03 PM
VH2   The person who gets a distinction by playing well...   May 25 2012, 04:08 PM
BerkshireMum   I can't see what the objection is to pass/me...   May 25 2012, 10:31 PM
VH2   [Children of junior age regularly pass grade 8 pi...   May 26 2012, 01:38 PM
tonedeafmum   If more junior school children were actually stre...   May 26 2012, 04:30 PM
sbhoa   If more junior school children were actually str...   May 26 2012, 04:58 PM
sunil   :mellow: Now a lot of them has Facebook profiles, ...   May 27 2012, 05:52 AM
ansatz496   Personally, I've done A-levels and I've d...   May 26 2012, 05:17 PM
VH2   I passed grade 8 piano (with distinction, for wha...   May 27 2012, 07:16 AM
JamesK   Is it not perfectly possible to pass a high grade...   May 25 2012, 10:56 PM
Chris H   Festivals and competitions are much more useful t...   May 26 2012, 10:33 AM
Tixylix   [quote name='tonedeafmum' post='1150367' date='Ma...   May 26 2012, 05:18 PM

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