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> Quick study - no writing?
RoseRodent
post Jun 11 2012, 02:03 PM
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I've heard contradictory reports about the Quick Study. The exam regulations do not say you cannot mark the Quick Study paper, but then I am pretty sure the graded exam regulations don't say so either, but it definitely says it on the sight-reading when you get there. I find that really odd, if I am going to prepare a piece for a short notice performance then the most important thing I am going to do with it is write stuff on it. I'll write technical elements such as position changes and sub-divisions of beats in tricky rhythms but also musical elements, reminders of phrasing, places where I might rit, editorial dynamics if required. It would seem very bizarre to test this skill without letting you do something that surely every musician would do. If you really are not allowed to mark the copy then it favours the person with the quick memory rather than the person who is most able to deliver a musical performance. Are you really required to do this without a pencil? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) I estimate I'd do more than 3 times as well if allowed to make marks on the paper.
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carol*piano
post Jun 11 2012, 03:35 PM
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QUOTE(RoseRodent @ Jun 11 2012, 03:03 PM) *

It would seem very bizarre to test this skill without letting you do something that surely every musician would do.

Disclaimer - I know nothing about diplomas, but as someone who sightreads an awful lot for my job, I never write on music I'm about to sightread and I really can't think why I would want to .
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post Jun 11 2012, 03:41 PM
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QUOTE(carol*piano @ Jun 11 2012, 04:35 PM) *

QUOTE(RoseRodent @ Jun 11 2012, 03:03 PM) *

It would seem very bizarre to test this skill without letting you do something that surely every musician would do.

Disclaimer - I know nothing about diplomas, but as someone who sightreads an awful lot for my job, I never write on music I'm about to sightread and I really can't think why I would want to .


Another disclaimer - I've done a diploma, but ATCL doesn't involve sightreading.

I've found over the years that there are many, many occasions where you don't get any choice : here's the music, play it now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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QUOTE(barry-clari @ Jun 11 2012, 04:41 PM) *

QUOTE(carol*piano @ Jun 11 2012, 04:35 PM) *

QUOTE(RoseRodent @ Jun 11 2012, 03:03 PM) *

It would seem very bizarre to test this skill without letting you do something that surely every musician would do.

Disclaimer - I know nothing about diplomas, but as someone who sightreads an awful lot for my job, I never write on music I'm about to sightread and I really can't think why I would want to .

Another disclaimer - I've done a diploma, but ATCL doesn't involve sightreading.

I've found over the years that there are many, many occasions where you don't get any choice : here's the music, play it now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

Okay - wrong terminology - sorry, but my point still stands. Even if I was doing a quick study, I would still not feel the need to write on the music.
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post Jun 11 2012, 03:56 PM
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They are two different skills though. Genuine sight reading is (roughly speaking!) about producing what you can see and trying to keep up with the orchestra while you do so and ideally putting in the right notes and dynamics and articulation as you go past, quick study is how musically can you perform this in 5 minutes. 5 minutes is an awful lot of preparation time to expect the same sort of outcome you'd get with a 30 second lead-in time or if you turned over the page in orchestra and there it was looking at you in 6 flats in 7th position. If someone gives me preparation time then the way I personally would spend my preparation time is around 30% marking the score so my brain knows what to do then 70% making my hands do it. In my way of doing things that is the first stage of preparation and it's as weird as giving 5 minutes of preparation time during which you are not allowed to use the instrument.

Ideally I would start my diploma with the quick study and ask if I already failed (since you can't have it at all if you fail the quick study) and if I have failed then just leave. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Jun 11 2012, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE(RoseRodent @ Jun 11 2012, 04:56 PM) *

They are two different skills though.

Indeed they are. I was just making the point that I've never felt the need to write on the music in either scenario, so it's clearly not something that "every musician would do".
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RoseRodent   Quick study - no writing?   Jun 11 2012, 02:03 PM
katyjay   I've heard contradictory reports about the Qu...   Jun 11 2012, 02:25 PM
RoseRodent   No, you're not allowed to write on it. I s...   Jun 11 2012, 03:30 PM
carol*piano   It would seem very bizarre to test this skill wit...   Jun 11 2012, 03:35 PM
barry-clari   It would seem very bizarre to test this skill wi...   Jun 11 2012, 03:41 PM
carol*piano   [quote name='carol*piano' post='1152989' date='Ju...   Jun 11 2012, 03:45 PM
RoseRodent   They are two different skills though. Genuine sigh...   Jun 11 2012, 03:56 PM
mrbouffant   5 minutes is an awful lot of preparation time It...   Jun 11 2012, 04:01 PM
carol*piano   They are two different skills though. Indeed they...   Jun 11 2012, 04:13 PM
Seer_Green   They are two different skills though. Indeed the...   Jun 11 2012, 05:31 PM
flobiano   Ideally I would start my diploma with the quick s...   Jun 13 2012, 07:38 AM
vee   They are two different skills though. Genuine sig...   Jun 14 2012, 09:17 AM
ansatz496   [quote name='RoseRodent' post='1152999' date='Jun...   Jun 14 2012, 02:24 PM
RoseRodent   Maybe every string player? I agree that wind playe...   Jun 11 2012, 04:47 PM
Susie   I can vouch for the fact you cannot write anything...   Jun 11 2012, 05:15 PM
erard   I wonder how they would react to bringing a clear ...   Jun 12 2012, 08:14 PM
jessy   In orchestral sightreading I have been found co...   Jun 14 2012, 10:27 AM
RoseRodent   23 bars rest is a luxury violins often do not h...   Jun 14 2012, 11:15 AM
ansatz496   I'm with the others - there really wasn't ...   Jun 12 2012, 09:46 PM
liseypeasy   Surely the quick study is designed to see what mus...   Jun 14 2012, 09:57 PM
vee   I'd have thought by dip level you should be ...   Jun 18 2012, 04:56 AM
RoseRodent   The page notes I normally make are fingering choic...   Jun 15 2012, 12:11 PM
ryb1974   I specifically asked whether I could mark the QS, ...   Jun 17 2012, 10:18 PM

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