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> Liszt B Minor Sonata
AnotherPianist
post Jul 30 2005, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE(GoneChopinBachSoon @ Jul 30 2005, 01:13 AM)
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the 'black keys' etude is actully OK to play through once you get patterns in the RH sorted, but it's after you've got the notes right that the challenge begins! 
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I seem to recall Freddy Kempf saying of this piece that it was one of those pieces that no matter how much he practised it didn't sit well under the fingers like other pieces do and he always felt like he was going to 'fall-off' the keys and it wasn't a safe thing to perform. Of course following that statement he then went on to play it very well!
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Kempf said that?!?! but hes a genius!!!

i do believe he said that the black keys was one of the easiest etudes to learn and/or play (cant remember which) :blink:
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Nope, he actually said it's one of the most difficult! Particularly to play under performance conditions. Maybe you're thinking of Kempff not Kempf though....
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GoneChopinBachSoon
post Jul 31 2005, 03:34 PM
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QUOTE(AnotherPianist @ Jul 30 2005, 07:58 PM)
QUOTE(GoneChopinBachSoon @ Jul 30 2005, 01:13 AM)
QUOTE(AnotherPianist @ Jul 29 2005, 08:35 PM)
QUOTE(s8535049 @ Jul 29 2005, 07:52 PM)
the 'black keys' etude is actully OK to play through once you get patterns in the RH sorted, but it's after you've got the notes right that the challenge begins! 
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I seem to recall Freddy Kempf saying of this piece that it was one of those pieces that no matter how much he practised it didn't sit well under the fingers like other pieces do and he always felt like he was going to 'fall-off' the keys and it wasn't a safe thing to perform. Of course following that statement he then went on to play it very well!
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Kempf said that?!?! but hes a genius!!!

i do believe he said that the black keys was one of the easiest etudes to learn and/or play (cant remember which) :blink:
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Nope, he actually said it's one of the most difficult! Particularly to play under performance conditions. Maybe you're thinking of Kempff not Kempf though....
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maybe...
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another crazy pianist
post Sep 17 2005, 03:01 PM
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Excuse me for taking up this old topic once again.
I have been trying to play this sonata by Liszt for several years, but I've got a problem with it: in bar 81 starts a very long series of fast reiterated chords for the right hand, up to bar 108. I can never maintain this ! My wrist gets exhausted long before. Maybe an alternation of arm and wrist movement could help ? Change hands ?
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chopet
post Sep 17 2005, 04:07 PM
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I always use my wrists there. Maybe you could practice that part separately, take it much slower at first, like say.... half the speed you normally play it. When youre totally comortable with playing it at that speed, speed it up a bit, do the same again. Repeat that until you can play it up to speed, might take a while.....Cant think of anything else right now but someone else might.Hope this helped some bit anyway...
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SteveHopwood
post Sep 17 2005, 04:25 PM
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Excuse me for taking up this old topic once again.
I have been trying to play this sonata by Liszt for several years, but I've got a problem with it: in bar 81 starts a very long series of fast reiterated chords for the right hand, up to bar 108. I can never maintain this ! My wrist gets exhausted long before. Maybe an alternation of arm and wrist movement could help ? Change hands ?
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The secret behind playing this passage lies in very small wrist movements – your fingers should only just lose contact with the keys. Any exaggerated ‘flapping’ will exhaust you in no time.

Repeated actions cause tension that leads to tiredness. Release the tension by moving your forearm slowly up and down - your wrist will rise and fall.

Follow these simple rules, and you will be able to play this passage all day, if you want.

Hope this helps

Steve :D
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another crazy pianist
post Sep 17 2005, 05:17 PM
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Thanks both for your speedy help ! :rolleyes: :)
Now it's up to me ! :huh:
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ashmoors
post Sep 19 2005, 08:55 AM
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Well after seeing this discussion, curiosity took over and I downloaded the mp3 of the song. Impressive would be one way to describe it. And I also have the music to it I found so I think ill go and learn this as my next piece! I love having a challenge with the piano. Wish me luck lol!
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SteveHopwood
post Sep 19 2005, 10:29 AM
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Well after seeing this discussion, curiosity took over and I downloaded the mp3 of the song. Impressive would be one way to describe it. And I also have the music to it I found so I think ill go and learn this as my next piece! I love having a challenge with the piano. Wish me luck lol!
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OK. Good luck.

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another crazy pianist
post Sep 19 2005, 12:14 PM
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Wish me luck lol!
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Good luck, from me too !
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chopet
post Sep 19 2005, 12:35 PM
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good luck!
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GoneChopinBachSoon
post Oct 1 2005, 09:35 PM
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im sure that Liszt was the first composer to write music which requires anything below bottom C on a piano (although for the 3rd last chord of the first movement of Chopins Piano Sonata No.2 in b flat minor requires bottom B flat :huh: )

his use of the bottom A is fab!
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SirPrancealot
post Oct 1 2005, 09:44 PM
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his use of the bottom A is fab!
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lucky i don't play it then because i rest my cigarette on bottom a when playing and smoking together.


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GoneChopinBachSoon
post Oct 1 2005, 09:50 PM
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QUOTE(GoneChopinBachSoon @ Oct 1 2005, 10:35 PM)
his use of the bottom A is fab!
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lucky i don't play it then because i rest my cigarette on bottom a when playing and smoking together.


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bad person...shouldnt smoke
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chocolatedog
post Oct 1 2005, 10:32 PM
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I guess you must be playing an arrangement of "Dance of the Fireflies' if you're doing both at the same time!! :lol:
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s8535049
post Oct 2 2005, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE(GoneChopinBachSoon @ Oct 1 2005, 10:35 PM)
his use of the bottom A is fab!
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lucky i don't play it then because i rest my cigarette on bottom a when playing and smoking together.


:lol:
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:lol:

can be a little precarious though - my teacher once had an examiner who offered to page-turn for her (unusual) while smoking and managed to coat the keys in cigarette ash.
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