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Polonaises
post Aug 2 2005, 09:51 PM
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how do you do it?!

im quite against Jazz like i am with most music, but if there is a jazz flute syllabus, i would actually like to give that a shot
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Nicknack
post Aug 3 2005, 01:26 PM
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QUOTE(Polonaises @ Aug 2 2005, 10:51 PM)
im quite against Jazz like i am with most music, but if there is a jazz flute syllabus, i would actually like to give that a shot
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If you're against it why do you want to play it?
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TenorClef
post Aug 3 2005, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE(Polonaises @ Aug 2 2005, 09:51 PM)
how do you do it?!

im quite against Jazz like i am with most music, but if there is a jazz flute syllabus, i would actually like to give that a shot

(that and i'd also like to prove to my ex clarinet teacher who is a pompous idiotic sax/clarinet/flute teacher who believes that flutes cannot play jazz WRONG!)
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I'm sorry but as a teacher myself i feel you can not use such disrepectful language toward your previous teacher. I'm going to report this topic and ask the team to edit/remove your post. Sorry :(
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janexxx
post Aug 3 2005, 03:25 PM
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QUOTE(TenorClef @ Aug 3 2005, 04:16 PM)
QUOTE(Polonaises @ Aug 2 2005, 09:51 PM)
how do you do it?!

im quite against Jazz like i am with most music, but if there is a jazz flute syllabus, i would actually like to give that a shot

(that and i'd also like to prove to my ex clarinet teacher who is a pompous idiotic sax/clarinet/flute teacher who believes that flutes cannot play jazz WRONG!)
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I'm sorry but as a teacher myself i feel you can not use such disrepectful language toward your previous teacher. I'm going to report this topic and ask the team to edit/remove your post. Sorry :(
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Oh dear!!!! Don't say he's done it again. Seems to have an uncanny ability to upset people.
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Tinkleing_The_Ivories
post Aug 3 2005, 03:43 PM
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I'm sorry but as a teacher myself i feel you can not use such disrepectful language toward your previous teacher. I'm going to report this topic and ask the team to edit/remove your post. Sorry


Well said. If you have such harsh opinions, Polonaises, please keep them to yourself.

NM :P
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Franchonard
post Aug 4 2005, 11:59 AM
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QUOTE(TenorClef @ Aug 3 2005, 04:16 PM)
QUOTE(Polonaises @ Aug 2 2005, 09:51 PM)
how do you do it?!

im quite against Jazz like i am with most music, but if there is a jazz flute syllabus, i would actually like to give that a shot

(that and i'd also like to prove to my ex clarinet teacher who is a pompous idiotic sax/clarinet/flute teacher who believes that flutes cannot play jazz WRONG!)
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I'm sorry but as a teacher myself i feel you can not use such disrepectful language toward your previous teacher. I'm going to report this topic and ask the team to edit/remove your post. Sorry :(
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What for? Some teachers are pompous (see the thread about too old and no talent). Some border on the idiotic (see the evidence in these forums of teachers failing their pupils and still taking the money) and some are too primadonnaish taking exception on the least provocation. A teacher will be respected if deserving respect. In this day and age it is no longer an expectation that a pupil will automatically respect a teacher.
If all else fails dismiss the pupil.
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sarah-flute
post Aug 4 2005, 12:27 PM
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QUOTE(Franchonard @ Aug 4 2005, 11:59 AM)
In this day and age it is no longer an expectation that a pupil will automatically respect a teacher. 
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Frankly, an awful lot of kids won't respect a teacher however much respect that teacher might command from some kids and the adults around them. Personally when I was growing up, the only teachers we did not respect were those who truly showed themselves unworthy of respect, and they fortunately were relatively few. These days some kids, and even some nice kids that I know, will make a teacher work extremely hard to earn respect, and their learning suffers because of it - they are too busy trying to make teachers jump through hoops. And those are the NICE kids! There are some kids who have learned that they can often get away with not showing any respect to any adult, parent, teacher or whatever, or anyone else's property, opinions... anything. And they end up in a mess generally, and grow up into adults who are unable to respect any authority. You know what, give me the old fashioned "respect your elders" any day. No, no one should stay with a teacher who isn't a good teacher, teaches wrong technique, etc etc. But one can treat people with respect even if they don't especially deserve it; and the world would be a better place if we all treated each other with a certain amount of respect as human beings regardless of whether a particular person was a good teacher or not. Treating someone with more respect than they deserve is, I reckon, a better bet than treating them with less.
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Philharmonia
post Aug 4 2005, 12:45 PM
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Yes, some teachers may deserve respect but not all. I've just left a teacher to start with someone new in September. In a way I feel sorry for her. She was going through menopause and got irritated easily. She started to get insulting so as I pay for lessons myself I decided to call it a day. It isn't fair to take it out on me and other pupils for which I can't respect her. Also she won't teach theory for grade 5.

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Violinia
post Aug 4 2005, 02:41 PM
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QUOTE(Polonaises @ Aug 2 2005, 09:51 PM)
how do you do it?!

im quite against Jazz like i am with most music, but if there is a jazz flute syllabus, i would actually like to give that a shot

(that and i'd also like to prove to my ex clarinet teacher who is a pompous idiotic sax/clarinet/flute teacher who believes that flutes cannot play jazz WRONG!)
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Erm, if you're "against jazz", why do you want to play it? Frankly to play jazz and make any sense of it at all you need to love it - it's as simple as that.

If you just want to do it to prove your flute teacher wrong, I wouldn't bother. Why not try listening to all sorts of jazz instead - you might even find you like it; then it might be worth learning how to play it.

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country_bumpkin
post Aug 4 2005, 03:52 PM
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Hey Polonaises! what kinds of jazz do you not like? If you really start to research jazz you'll find that there are hundreds of different styles some which you may like some not. Personally I can't listen to Charlie Parker type bebop/bewop jazz, to me its just an endless stream of notes with no beginning, middle or end!!! But on the other hand I do enjoy listening to jazz vocalists like Ella Fitzgerald or amazing players like Miles Davis.
Have you tried listening to some big band stuff? Numbers like American Patrol and Tuxedo Junction etc? Or have you tried the Microjazz series of Books by Christopher Norton, I'm pretty sure they do a flute version of the books.

I think its fair enough for you to get angry with your teacher, its terribly old fashioned to be so narrow-minded these days. Yes he/she may believe that flutes are not jazz instruments but thats his/her opinion. If any student expresses a wish to try a new style of music they should not be shot down and simply told they cannot. He/she is also being ridiculous in telling you flutes cannot play jazz, has he/she not heard of the famous saxo-flautists such as George Adams or Jane Bunnet??!!

However I can understand TenorClef's anger at your comment. I hold the greatest amount of respect for my sax/clari/guitar/vocal/piano teacher (a rather talented bloke as you may have guessed!) and I wouldn't insult him on the forums. Everyone is entitled to express their feelings but just be careful with what you say :) good luck with playing some jazz x

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