QUOTE(andante_in_c @ Apr 7 2011, 04:56 PM)
Buying second hand is a bit of a minefield, even for an experienced player. The safest option, although not necessarily the cheapest, is to buy a second hand instrument from one of the main flute retailers: Topwind
. JustFlutes requires all owners to get their flute inspected and if necessary repaired/serviced in their workshop before they are listed and AllFlutesPlus gives an indication of the instrument's condition on their website, so you have another opinion about the flute's condition.
If you are some distance from London you may wish to find out if your local music shop sells second hand instruments, although these may not have been examined by a flute specialist. Alternatively your daughter's teacher may know of a pupil who is upgrading and selling her instrument.
Yamaha 211 S models and UK models will both be fine (the UK ones are more recent). Other models beginning with 2 will have slightly different specifications and you would need to check with the teacher whether these would be suitable.
Thank you for your advice.
I thought 211 S, UK etc are pretty much similar , just different model names for updating the same model.
I suppose if you don't know what you are looking at, the safest thing would be to go to the specialist shop.
QUOTE(Flossie @ Apr 7 2011, 05:23 PM)
You need to take your daughter somewhere to try out different flutes.
Don't just buy one without trying it and others. Different flutes play differently (related to things like embouchure hole shape and cut, crown weight, riser, metal thickness) and therefore different players suit different flutes. Yes, Yamaha does good entry level flutes (and the 311 is a decent upgrade instrument) but they don't suit everybody. I know quite a few people - including myself - who don't get on particularly well with Yamaha flutes, and others who wouldn't want to play anything else.
If you're looking on the second hand market then you ideally need to go to one of the specialist flute shops, because that way you can be confident in what you're buying. General music shops tend to be less reliable. If you can't get to a specialist flute place then it's best to take someone with you who understands flutes. Either way, make sure you get the instrument on approval for at least a week (if the instrument's just been serviced then this can hide problems with the mechanism, which would then gradually appear as the instrument gets played more) and get the flute checked by her teacher before you agree to buy it.
One thing to consider is whether you want, at this point, to buy her a better flute. It might be worthwhile going straight for an 'upgrade' or 'step up' instrument with a silver lip plate, headjoint or tube, such as a Yamaha 311, Pearl 665 or 765, Trevor James Cantible or Virtuoso, Azumi 2000, or a student flute with a professionally made solid silver headjoint. Flutes in this range can easily take her beyond grade 8, whereas if you buy a student instrument you will probably need to upgrade it when she's around grade 6-7 standard (which may only be a year or so away, especially if she's grade 5 standard now after 6 months of playing).
Thanks for all the information.
I did wonder about better (more expensive) models than Yamaha 211 sereies.
I was looking at eBay yesterday and someome was selling his/her 211. He/she described it as suitable for beginner up to Grade 5, which my daughter seems to have achieved already.
QUOTE(Pixie*Porsche @ Apr 7 2011, 06:59 PM)
Whereabouts are you?
My partner and I run a workshop servicing, refurbishing and retailing flutes and clarinets. Our website is in my signature, though we have more instruments than the ones on there. You are most welcome to come over and have a chat with us at any time!
I agree with what has been said so far.
Flossie - I get on with Yamahas really well, yet I've had customers who don't at all - buying a flute is such a personal choice. We have an Altus 1007 coming in very soon and I can't wait to try it!
Try lots and you'll find the right instrument for you
We live in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire.
QUOTE(elidatrading @ Apr 8 2011, 08:58 AM)
What is your budget?
At the moment, I don't have a clear idea. We upgraded her cello recently and are thinking of selling her old one. Hopefully we could get around ?250, so out budget would be around the figure. Would we be able to get a decent second hand flute?