rarrrrr i'm soo annoyed with myself for not being able to do this!
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okie smokie - quick Q...I have pretty awful knowledge of music theory, however due to my desire to be good at it i've taken up theory lessons, however i'm stuck, i'm not sure whether its my hate for maths and the fact I can only just about add up, but i'm confused with, erm, dont laugh at me, but dots...am I right to say that a dotted minim lasts as long as 3 crotchets, and 6 quavers, a dotted crotchet lasts as long as 3 quavers and 2 crotchets, a dotted quaver lasts as long as 3 semiquavers? I think i'm totally wrong, i'm sorry I suck!!!! a dotted minim lasts as long as how many semiquavers? I cant figure it out...
rarrrrr i'm soo annoyed with myself for not being able to do this!
rarrrrr i'm soo annoyed with myself for not being able to do this!
I should think that's about right, actually.
However, I get a bit muddled myself, because I learnt 8th notes, 16th notes etc. instead of quaver and all that (my teacher is American).
However, I get a bit muddled myself, because I learnt 8th notes, 16th notes etc. instead of quaver and all that (my teacher is American).
QUOTE(Singing_La @ Oct 12 2005, 05:11 PM)
a dotted crotchet lasts as long as 3 quavers and 2 crotchets
its 3 quavers not 2 crotchets but apart from that you are correct
QUOTE(Saxophonist @ Oct 12 2005, 04:31 PM)
QUOTE(Singing_La @ Oct 12 2005, 05:11 PM)
a dotted crotchet lasts as long as 3 quavers and 2 crotchets
its 3 quavers not 2 crotchets but apart from that you are correct
if a dotted crotchet doesnt last as long as 2 crotchets..how many crotchets does it last for? Also, a dotted minim lasts as long as __ semiquavers?!?!?!?!
The addition of a dot makes the note half as long again. I'm useless at maths, and I found it more helpful to work it out visually, and then physically count it out rather than trying to do the maths in my head.
Good luck with it!
Amber
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Good luck with it!
Amber
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As Amber says, the dot makes it half as long again.
A dotted a crotchet = a crochet plus half a crotchet = a crotchet + a quaver
A dotted minim = a minim plus half a minim = a minim + a crotchet
A dotted quaver = a quaver plus half a quaver = a quaver + a semiquaver
As for how many semiquavers a dotted minim is:
Two semiquavers = One quaver (semi literally means 'half' so a semiquaver is a half-quaver)
Let's double it:
Four semiquavers = Two quavers = one crotchet
So four semiquavers = one crotchet..
A dotted minim, as above is a minim + a crotchet, which adds up to 3 crotchets.
So a dotted minim is 3 lots of 4 semiquavers = 12 semiquavers.
A dotted a crotchet = a crochet plus half a crotchet = a crotchet + a quaver
A dotted minim = a minim plus half a minim = a minim + a crotchet
A dotted quaver = a quaver plus half a quaver = a quaver + a semiquaver
As for how many semiquavers a dotted minim is:
Two semiquavers = One quaver (semi literally means 'half' so a semiquaver is a half-quaver)
Let's double it:
Four semiquavers = Two quavers = one crotchet
So four semiquavers = one crotchet..
A dotted minim, as above is a minim + a crotchet, which adds up to 3 crotchets.
So a dotted minim is 3 lots of 4 semiquavers = 12 semiquavers.
QUOTE(Amber @ Oct 12 2005, 04:51 PM)
The addition of a dot makes the note half as long again. I'm useless at maths, and I found it more helpful to work it out visually, and then physically count it out rather than trying to do the maths in my head.
Good luck with it!
Amber
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Good luck with it!
Amber
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That's right - it adds on half. So the value of the dot changes, depending on what it follows.
I sometimes use other things when I'm teaching dots - for example, sausages, pound coins, hours.
So a dotted sausage = one and a half sausages.
$5 plus a dot = $7.50
A dotted pound coin is £1.50.
A dotted hour is one hour 30 minutes. etc etc.
Don't know if this helps.
fabtastic thank you so much guys!!! Sorry, I know that was such a simple question and i'm embarrassed! 
thanks x
thanks x
QUOTE(maggiemay @ Oct 12 2005, 06:29 PM)
QUOTE(Amber @ Oct 12 2005, 04:51 PM)
The addition of a dot makes the note half as long again. I'm useless at maths, and I found it more helpful to work it out visually, and then physically count it out rather than trying to do the maths in my head.Â
Good luck with it!
Amber
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Good luck with it!
Amber
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That's right - it adds on half. So the value of the dot changes, depending on what it follows.
I sometimes use other things when I'm teaching dots - for example, sausages, pound coins, hours.
So a dotted sausage = one and a half sausages.
$5 plus a dot = $7.50
A dotted pound coin is £1.50.
A dotted hour is one hour 30 minutes. etc etc.
Don't know if this helps.
I find that most people can count in cakes....
QUOTE(Singing_La @ Oct 12 2005, 06:29 PM)
fabtastic thank you so much guys!!! Sorry, I know that was such a simple question and i'm embarrassed!
thanks x
thanks x
Have you tried making a chart starting with a semibreve at the centre top dividing into 2 minims on the next line and so on?
This helps you to see the relationnship in time values.
Don't forget that a double dotted cake is worth 1 3/4 cakes.
Can I have a dotted sausage please?
QUOTE(elliewelly @ Oct 13 2005, 09:45 AM)
Can I have a dotted sausage please?
You want me to open a whole pack of sausages just for one dotted one???
Ok so I started working on Maggie's practical example.
I got a cake out of the larder. It had sultanas in so I thought it should be dotted. So I got another cake out of the larder, cut it in half .... and ate the dotted cake. This left me with a semicake over so I got another cake out of the larder. I cut this into quarters, tried to stick one demi-semicake to the existing semicake to make a dotted semicake, gave up on the mess and ate the lot.
Realised I'd forgotten Quavers - so I got a packet of them out of the larder. And then - butterfingers - I dropped it. So the packet was then full of semiquavers, demisemiquavers, hemidemisemiquavers and crumbs. So I ate the lot.
Now I'm feeling rather crotchety, and I've got indigestion
I got a cake out of the larder. It had sultanas in so I thought it should be dotted. So I got another cake out of the larder, cut it in half .... and ate the dotted cake. This left me with a semicake over so I got another cake out of the larder. I cut this into quarters, tried to stick one demi-semicake to the existing semicake to make a dotted semicake, gave up on the mess and ate the lot.
Realised I'd forgotten Quavers - so I got a packet of them out of the larder. And then - butterfingers - I dropped it. So the packet was then full of semiquavers, demisemiquavers, hemidemisemiquavers and crumbs. So I ate the lot.
Now I'm feeling rather crotchety, and I've got indigestion
QUOTE(katyjay @ Oct 13 2005, 12:53 PM)
Ok so I started working on Maggie's practical example.
I got a cake out of the larder. It had sultanas in so I thought it should be dotted. So I got another cake out of the larder, cut it in half .... and ate the dotted cake. This left me with a semicake over so I got another cake out of the larder. I cut this into quarters, tried to stick one demi-semicake to the existing semicake to make a dotted semicake, gave up on the mess and ate the lot.
Realised I'd forgotten Quavers - so I got a packet of them out of the larder. And then - butterfingers - I dropped it. So the packet was then full of semiquavers, demisemiquavers, hemidemisemiquavers and crumbs. So I ate the lot.
Now I'm feeling rather crotchety, and I've got indigestion
I got a cake out of the larder. It had sultanas in so I thought it should be dotted. So I got another cake out of the larder, cut it in half .... and ate the dotted cake. This left me with a semicake over so I got another cake out of the larder. I cut this into quarters, tried to stick one demi-semicake to the existing semicake to make a dotted semicake, gave up on the mess and ate the lot.
Realised I'd forgotten Quavers - so I got a packet of them out of the larder. And then - butterfingers - I dropped it. So the packet was then full of semiquavers, demisemiquavers, hemidemisemiquavers and crumbs. So I ate the lot.
Now I'm feeling rather crotchety, and I've got indigestion
I think what you need is a rest.
QUOTE(maggiemay @ Oct 13 2005, 02:06 PM)
QUOTE(katyjay @ Oct 13 2005, 12:53 PM)
Ok so I started working on Maggie's practical example.
I got a cake out of the larder. It had sultanas in so I thought it should be dotted. So I got another cake out of the larder, cut it in half .... and ate the dotted cake. This left me with a semicake over so I got another cake out of the larder. I cut this into quarters, tried to stick one demi-semicake to the existing semicake to make a dotted semicake, gave up on the mess and ate the lot.
Realised I'd forgotten Quavers - so I got a packet of them out of the larder. And then - butterfingers - I dropped it. So the packet was then full of semiquavers, demisemiquavers, hemidemisemiquavers and crumbs. So I ate the lot.
Now I'm feeling rather crotchety, and I've got indigestionÂ
I got a cake out of the larder. It had sultanas in so I thought it should be dotted. So I got another cake out of the larder, cut it in half .... and ate the dotted cake. This left me with a semicake over so I got another cake out of the larder. I cut this into quarters, tried to stick one demi-semicake to the existing semicake to make a dotted semicake, gave up on the mess and ate the lot.
Realised I'd forgotten Quavers - so I got a packet of them out of the larder. And then - butterfingers - I dropped it. So the packet was then full of semiquavers, demisemiquavers, hemidemisemiquavers and crumbs. So I ate the lot.
Now I'm feeling rather crotchety, and I've got indigestionÂ
I think what you need is a rest.
Brilliant, brilliant both of you.
QUOTE(maggiemay @ Oct 13 2005, 01:06 PM)
QUOTE(katyjay @ Oct 13 2005, 12:53 PM)
Ok so I started working on Maggie's practical example.
I got a cake out of the larder. It had sultanas in so I thought it should be dotted. So I got another cake out of the larder, cut it in half .... and ate the dotted cake. This left me with a semicake over so I got another cake out of the larder. I cut this into quarters, tried to stick one demi-semicake to the existing semicake to make a dotted semicake, gave up on the mess and ate the lot.
Realised I'd forgotten Quavers - so I got a packet of them out of the larder. And then - butterfingers - I dropped it. So the packet was then full of semiquavers, demisemiquavers, hemidemisemiquavers and crumbs. So I ate the lot.
Now I'm feeling rather crotchety, and I've got indigestionÂ
I got a cake out of the larder. It had sultanas in so I thought it should be dotted. So I got another cake out of the larder, cut it in half .... and ate the dotted cake. This left me with a semicake over so I got another cake out of the larder. I cut this into quarters, tried to stick one demi-semicake to the existing semicake to make a dotted semicake, gave up on the mess and ate the lot.
Realised I'd forgotten Quavers - so I got a packet of them out of the larder. And then - butterfingers - I dropped it. So the packet was then full of semiquavers, demisemiquavers, hemidemisemiquavers and crumbs. So I ate the lot.
Now I'm feeling rather crotchety, and I've got indigestionÂ
I think what you need is a rest.
Just a breve rest...
Or a minim rest!
Car Expert
Car Expert
QUOTE(katyjay @ Oct 13 2005, 12:53 PM)
Ok so I started working on Maggie's practical example.
I got a cake out of the larder. It had sultanas in so I thought it should be dotted. So I got another cake out of the larder, cut it in half .... and ate the dotted cake. This left me with a semicake over so I got another cake out of the larder. I cut this into quarters, tried to stick one demi-semicake to the existing semicake to make a dotted semicake, gave up on the mess and ate the lot.
Realised I'd forgotten Quavers - so I got a packet of them out of the larder. And then - butterfingers - I dropped it. So the packet was then full of semiquavers, demisemiquavers, hemidemisemiquavers and crumbs. So I ate the lot.
Now I'm feeling rather crotchety, and I've got indigestion
I got a cake out of the larder. It had sultanas in so I thought it should be dotted. So I got another cake out of the larder, cut it in half .... and ate the dotted cake. This left me with a semicake over so I got another cake out of the larder. I cut this into quarters, tried to stick one demi-semicake to the existing semicake to make a dotted semicake, gave up on the mess and ate the lot.
Realised I'd forgotten Quavers - so I got a packet of them out of the larder. And then - butterfingers - I dropped it. So the packet was then full of semiquavers, demisemiquavers, hemidemisemiquavers and crumbs. So I ate the lot.
Now I'm feeling rather crotchety, and I've got indigestion
and wayhey i'm even more confused haha
haha
I had my 8-year-old fife player in stitches yesterday when I mentioned dotted sausages!
I went to tea with my sister and her kids. My niece is 10, and is learning the violin. I started telling her about dotted sausages, the crumbs of broken semiquavers and the like.
She looked at me as if I had (yet again) taken leave of my senses.
I produced a Victoria sponge from the tin I'd brought with me, and offered her a hemidemisemicake. She looked at me with pity and said "No thankyou, Aunty Katyjay, I'll just have a sandwich."
She looked at me as if I had (yet again) taken leave of my senses.
I produced a Victoria sponge from the tin I'd brought with me, and offered her a hemidemisemicake. She looked at me with pity and said "No thankyou, Aunty Katyjay, I'll just have a sandwich."
QUOTE(katyjay @ Oct 14 2005, 09:00 AM)
I went to tea with my sister and her kids. My niece is 10, and is learning the violin. I started telling her about dotted sausages, the crumbs of broken semiquavers and the like.
She looked at me as if I had (yet again) taken leave of my senses.
I produced a Victoria sponge from the tin I'd brought with me, and offered her a hemidemisemicake. She looked at me with pity and said "No thankyou, Aunty Katyjay, I'll just have a sandwich."Â
She looked at me as if I had (yet again) taken leave of my senses.
I produced a Victoria sponge from the tin I'd brought with me, and offered her a hemidemisemicake. She looked at me with pity and said "No thankyou, Aunty Katyjay, I'll just have a sandwich."Â
a tonic try-hard, at least.
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I'd have had a hemidemisemicake! Or even a semicake if I'd been feeling particularly greedy. Love this thread!
QUOTE(elliewelly @ Oct 14 2005, 04:08 PM)
I'd have had a hemidemisemicake! Or even a semicake if I'd been feeling particularly greedy. Love this thread!
I don't feel that hungry, so I'd have a semihemidemisemicake!
Car Expert
I missed this thread first time round - brilliant
*looks for a double bar, cos eating all those dots sounds like thirsty work*
Gosh - this brings back memories - I'd forgotten all this!!
Brilliant I've just eaten a pair of tied mars bars now before I head for the barline I need a minim rest, before I get crotchety.
I shall divide the children's pizzas in semi-quavers.
I shall divide the children's pizzas in semi-quavers.
I ate too many semidemichocolate fingers and now I feel sick
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