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For the first time I tried taking Bach Rescue Remedy, to help me be calm tomorrow. Being based on plants I thought it would be 'mild' ! I took some last night and again this morning and by lunchtime, when I had arranged to meet with the pianist and go over my pieces, I felt like I was on another planet. What a scarey experience, at least I know it is like that and I have time to 'undo' the bad !! I'd like to know if anyone else has had this effect. I felt like it had totally taken my natural 'spark' away, and felt quite 'drunk'. No way to feel when you are taking an important exam. I see it is used for people in shock perhaps in those situations it is usefull but BEWARE ! Try it out a few days before anything important if you don't know how you're going to react !!
How did you take it Trudi?
You only need a few drops in water, and then take a few drops of that in water!
You only need a few drops in water, and then take a few drops of that in water!
four drops under the toungue, as it is marked on the side of the box
I've taken 4 drops on the tongue and it doesn't seem to do much for me.
I've taken four drops too and it did nothing for me 
Maybe its being extra-effective because you are ill?
Ash
Maybe its being extra-effective because you are ill?Ash
QUOTE(trudihiggins @ Dec 8 2005, 01:56 PM) 
For the first time I tried taking Bach Rescue Remedy, to help me be calm tomorrow. Being based on plants I thought it would be 'mild' ! I took some last night and again this morning and by lunchtime, when I had arranged to meet with the pianist and go over my pieces, I felt like I was on another planet. What a scarey experience, at least I know it is like that and I have time to 'undo' the bad !! I'd like to know if anyone else has had this effect. I felt like it had totally taken my natural 'spark' away, and felt quite 'drunk'. No way to feel when you are taking an important exam. I see it is used for people in shock perhaps in those situations it is usefull but BEWARE ! Try it out a few days before anything important if you don't know how you're going to react !!
I had to take part in a concert arranged by my teacher, at which I would be playing one of my Grade 8 pieces to other adult learners, all of whom were post-Grade 8. I was quite nervous about this, especially as my teacher asked me to play the "dodgiest" piece. My wife suggested Rescue Remedy, which she uses when skiing for those scary moments.
I took four drops on the tongue as it said on the box. It was a nightmare - I felt more nervous than I had before - in fact, my hands were shaking so much that I played some of the notes twice! I felt weird, disorientated and drunk. So for my exam I took Kalms, and they worked much better.
One of my other interests is running, and one of the cardinal rules of racing (which applies to exams) is - "Don't try anything in races that you haven't tried in training". So if you want to use something to calm your nerves, try it out at home first.
And the very best of luck to you.
I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one that was effected like this !! My teacher went bananas when I told her (about 10 mins ago) 'What do you think you're doing' and other such lines. I really thought it would be a subtle effect - well how wrong I was, and yes, could be something to do with the fact I've been under the weather !!! TOMORROW IS THE BIG DAY !!!
Trudi - you have been through the wars, haven't you? I do hope you're all completely better for tomorrow, and that all goes as swimmingly as possible. I did grade 7 with a filthy cold, having not slept due to severe heartburn after eating too many menthol sweets, and somehow, perhaps because I knew I had an "excuse", I was able to relax, at any rate after the ghastly scales - you can do it too! All the best.
Trudi - I can't take Bach rescue remedy either! It makes me go all of a doo-daa 
(that's drunk, disorderly and generally incapable!)
I rely on bananas instead
!
(that's drunk, disorderly and generally incapable!)I rely on bananas instead
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my banana is already in my music bag, feeling good about it all at the moment - just hope it holds out till tomorrow afternoon this positive feeling !!
Love the stuff!
You do need to be careful with herbal remedies. Just because they're made from plants doesn't make them gentle. In fact most of them are pretty powerful. Sounds like you need to put a couple of drops in a bottle of water and sip it from time to time, rather than putting 4 drops under the tongue. In fairness, Rescue Remedy is more for shock, plus the flower essences themselves are distilled in brandy, so if you have any kind of allergy to grapes or grape alcohol, that might be your problem. For "stage fright" you could try homoeopathic Aconite (no more than 6x or 6c since you had such a strong reaction to the Rescue Remedy), which you can get in Boots.
Alternatively, you could try 7/11 breathing. This is where you breathe in through your nose for a count of 7, then out through your nose for a count of 11. By concentrating on your breathing, you're clearing your head and my breathing through your nose, you're breathing deeply and getting the oxygen round your body properly, something which goes out the window when you're nervous.
Hope that helps
LynneM (Complementary Therapist)
Alternatively, you could try 7/11 breathing. This is where you breathe in through your nose for a count of 7, then out through your nose for a count of 11. By concentrating on your breathing, you're clearing your head and my breathing through your nose, you're breathing deeply and getting the oxygen round your body properly, something which goes out the window when you're nervous.
Hope that helps
LynneM (Complementary Therapist)
Thankyou lynnem, i'm far from boots in sw france, but the 7/11 breathing sounds good
Bach flower remedies - ahem - the placebo effect!
Here is an article a Rescue Remedy trial
If you've ever seen Derren Brown you will know just how suggestible people can be. If you haven't seen him, watch him - you will be amazed.
Placebos can certainly work to alleviate stress, but anybody who feels woozy after taking a Bach Flower Remedy is demonstrating the classic symptoms of auto-suggestibility!
Violinia
Here is an article a Rescue Remedy trial
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At the University of Exeter, we tested the effects of the "five flower remedy" on stress, the condition it is marketed for. This mixture, also sold as "rescue remedy", is the most widely used of all flower remedies. It is composed of clematis, impatiens, rock rose, cherry plum and star of Bethlehem. We recruited 100 students who took either the real thing or placebos to alleviate their "exam nerves". We made sure that the real treatment was indistinguishable from the placebo. In technical terms, our study was a randomised, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial, which simply means it was the most rigorous clinical test possible.
Our results show no differences between the "five flower remedy" and the placebo. Unfortunately, some students proved to be unreliable and we could only evaluate 45 of them. Yet the results are conclusive: "five flower remedy" is not an effective treatment for examination stress.
Unknown to us, scientists from the University of Freiburg in Germany carried out a study that was similar. They recruited 61 students suffering from exam stress and treated them with "rescue remedy" or with placebo. Their results show that students in both groups responded positively, but there was no difference between the placebo and the real thing. Our German colleagues conclude that "flower remedies are an effective placebo for test anxiety which do not have a specific effect".
This highlights the power of the placebo. Dummy pills can alleviate pain and reduce examination stress. Some would say that charging considerable amounts of money to sell placebos constitutes harm, but placebos can be helpful, although lay literature often misleads the public into unrealistic expectations.
- Professor Edzard ErnstOur results show no differences between the "five flower remedy" and the placebo. Unfortunately, some students proved to be unreliable and we could only evaluate 45 of them. Yet the results are conclusive: "five flower remedy" is not an effective treatment for examination stress.
Unknown to us, scientists from the University of Freiburg in Germany carried out a study that was similar. They recruited 61 students suffering from exam stress and treated them with "rescue remedy" or with placebo. Their results show that students in both groups responded positively, but there was no difference between the placebo and the real thing. Our German colleagues conclude that "flower remedies are an effective placebo for test anxiety which do not have a specific effect".
This highlights the power of the placebo. Dummy pills can alleviate pain and reduce examination stress. Some would say that charging considerable amounts of money to sell placebos constitutes harm, but placebos can be helpful, although lay literature often misleads the public into unrealistic expectations.
If you've ever seen Derren Brown you will know just how suggestible people can be. If you haven't seen him, watch him - you will be amazed.
Placebos can certainly work to alleviate stress, but anybody who feels woozy after taking a Bach Flower Remedy is demonstrating the classic symptoms of auto-suggestibility!
Violinia
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Placebos can certainly work to alleviate stress, but anybody who feels woozy after taking a Bach Flower Remedy is demonstrating the classic symptoms of auto-suggestibility!
Violinia
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What's Auto-suggestibility ?
Placebos can certainly work to alleviate stress, but anybody who feels woozy after taking a Bach Flower Remedy is demonstrating the classic symptoms of auto-suggestibility!
Violinia
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What's Auto-suggestibility ?
It means being suggestible - otherwise convincing yourself something is happening even though scientifically nothing is!
Violinia
Violinia
What about Kalms then? Are they flower power based?
No, Kalms are made from herbs and contain:
Hops powder BHP 45mg
Extract of valerian from 135mg
Extract of gentian from 90mg
They should be a lot more effective than flower essences, which haven't been scientifically proved to work at all except in a placebo sense (imagining they work, therefore they work).
Violinia
Hops powder BHP 45mg
Extract of valerian from 135mg
Extract of gentian from 90mg
They should be a lot more effective than flower essences, which haven't been scientifically proved to work at all except in a placebo sense (imagining they work, therefore they work).
Violinia
WHERE CAN WE GET THESE PLACEBOS!!?
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WHERE CAN WE GET THESE PLACEBOS!!?
WHERE CAN WE GET THESE PLACEBOS!!?
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Placebos can certainly work to alleviate stress, but anybody who feels woozy after taking a Bach Flower Remedy is demonstrating the classic symptoms of auto-suggestibility!
Violinia
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What's Auto-suggestibility ?
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Auto-suggestibility is when you're told something will happen so you make it happen. However, that doesn't explain how remedies such as homoeopathy or flower remedies work on babies and animals.
LynneM
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Placebos can certainly work to alleviate stress, but anybody who feels woozy after taking a Bach Flower Remedy is demonstrating the classic symptoms of auto-suggestibility!
Violinia
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What's Auto-suggestibility ?
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Auto-suggestibility is when you're told something will happen so you make it happen. However, that doesn't explain how remedies such as homoeopathy or flower remedies work on babies and animals.
LynneM
Well, I'm not sure of the wooziness induced by Bach Rescue, but do you have anything for being clobbered in the eyes by big purple lettering?
I took the Bach's remedy before my driving test (maybe a bit risky after never having had it before....), but only a few drops well diluted in a glass of water..this was my 4th test and I passed this one! So yes, I think it did calm me down, but was it because I'd taken something, or because I THOUGHT I had taken something? I don't know!!
QUOTE(Frankie82 @ Dec 22 2005, 10:03 PM)
I took the Bach's remedy before my driving test (maybe a bit risky after never having had it before....), but only a few drops well diluted in a glass of water..this was my 4th test and I passed this one! So yes, I think it did calm me down, but was it because I'd taken something, or because I THOUGHT I had taken something? I don't know!!
Whether or not its auto-suggestibility or a placebo effect or whatever is unimportant - if you feel it works who is to say it doesn't? Just because something is scientifically 'proven' as being 'ineffective' doesn't discount its efficacy, if it is addressing the symptom it was designed for, regardless of the route it takes to reach the result.
I have a driving test coming up, I better get some rescue remedy
Ash
QUOTE(trudihiggins @ Dec 8 2005, 01:56 PM)
For the first time I tried taking Bach Rescue Remedy, to help me be calm tomorrow. Being based on plants I thought it would be 'mild' ! I took some last night and again this morning and by lunchtime, when I had arranged to meet with the pianist and go over my pieces, I felt like I was on another planet. What a scarey experience, at least I know it is like that and I have time to 'undo' the bad !! I'd like to know if anyone else has had this effect. I felt like it had totally taken my natural 'spark' away, and felt quite 'drunk'. No way to feel when you are taking an important exam. I see it is used for people in shock perhaps in those situations it is usefull but BEWARE ! Try it out a few days before anything important if you don't know how you're going to react !!
Are you sure you weren't drunk already when you first took it?!
This stuff is disgusting, I tried taking it before my AS level music exam. I nearly threw up. For driving test and other exams I got some different tablets.
"Auto-suggestibility is when you're told something will happen so you make it happen. However, that doesn't explain how remedies such as homoeopathy or flower remedies work on babies and animals.
LynneM"
(I've put it in inverted commas because the 'wrap a quote' button isn't working today.)
Babies and animals often get better from something very suddenly with no help at all. I didn't use any homeopathic remedies on my baby, but sometimes he would suddenly dramatically recover from a nasty bug. If I had just goiven him a remedy I would have probably have attributed it to that, particularly if I was already convinced by the theory of homeopathy.
I've also noticed that the people who believe in homeopathy never tell you about the times the remedy 'didn't work' but only about the occasions they think it did. This results in a sort of 'anecdotal' proof rather than anything else, and anecdotal proof is notoriously unreliable.
A friend of mine bcame a homeopath and gave it up eventually because she could no longer cope with the resulting constant phone-calls from ill (or worried-well) people. Since she gave it up, there hasn't been a resultant increase in the number of people in her neighbourhood who haven't been able to recover from their variious aliments. I'm joking here, but I do have strong doubts about the efficacy of homeopathy; if it's really supposed to work in such dilutions then we should all be literally reeling from the effects of all the substances we imbibe every day with our water - but life-expectancy is increasing every day (by about 10 minutes or something).
But this a subject for another section of the forum!
Violinia
LynneM"
(I've put it in inverted commas because the 'wrap a quote' button isn't working today.)
Babies and animals often get better from something very suddenly with no help at all. I didn't use any homeopathic remedies on my baby, but sometimes he would suddenly dramatically recover from a nasty bug. If I had just goiven him a remedy I would have probably have attributed it to that, particularly if I was already convinced by the theory of homeopathy.
I've also noticed that the people who believe in homeopathy never tell you about the times the remedy 'didn't work' but only about the occasions they think it did. This results in a sort of 'anecdotal' proof rather than anything else, and anecdotal proof is notoriously unreliable.
A friend of mine bcame a homeopath and gave it up eventually because she could no longer cope with the resulting constant phone-calls from ill (or worried-well) people. Since she gave it up, there hasn't been a resultant increase in the number of people in her neighbourhood who haven't been able to recover from their variious aliments. I'm joking here, but I do have strong doubts about the efficacy of homeopathy; if it's really supposed to work in such dilutions then we should all be literally reeling from the effects of all the substances we imbibe every day with our water - but life-expectancy is increasing every day (by about 10 minutes or something).
But this a subject for another section of the forum!
Violinia
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