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Helen
I am doing a composition for A2 with a trumpet in, and on sibelius it highlighted with an A and a B above the stave as out of range.

I know that sibelius is "a bit of a wimp with ranges" to quote my teacher, especially when it highlights flute notes I know full well aren't out of range rolleyes.gif

Anyway, help appreciated. biggrin.gif
ChrisShelton
Not 100% but I think it goes from as low at F# below middle C, to the C above the stave, strictly speaking that is. I'm sure most conventional music wont leave this range.

I'm pretty sure it's possible to pedal a few notes below the F# & I know of people that can squeeze out notes nearly an octave higher than a top C.
Helen
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stephenwright
QUOTE(Helen @ Jan 5 2006, 06:22 PM) *

I am doing a composition for A2 with a trumpet in, and on sibelius it highlighted with an A and a B above the stave as out of range.

I know that sibelius is "a bit of a wimp with ranges" to quote my teacher, especially when it highlights flute notes I know full well aren't out of range rolleyes.gif

Anyway, help appreciated. biggrin.gif


Hi Helen, good to meet other A2 Students. It really does depend on who's playing it is the short answer. If you have to record it I'd suggest you ask the person who's going to be playing on the recording. In my case it's (concert pitch) A above the stave (written as B for trumpet in Bb) down to Eb below middle C (written as F#.) But this is just me, different people have different ranges.


QUOTE(ChrisShelton @ Jan 5 2006, 06:48 PM) *

Not 100% but I think it goes from as low at F# below middle C, to the C above the stave, strictly speaking that is. I'm sure most conventional music wont leave this range.

I'm pretty sure it's possible to pedal a few notes below the F# & I know of people that can squeeze out notes nearly an octave higher than a top C.


Yeah most people can "squeeze out" notes- they sound vile. Similarly people can hit pedal notes waaay down into tuba range but these take a massive amount of effort, are VERY hard to get in tune and sound awful anyway.

Hope this helps
Cheers
Stephen
kenm
The highest note playable on a brass instrument is always, in practice, limited by the player, and an orchestration book should give expected ranges for players of different capabilities. Each instrument does have a lowest resonant frequency, and three-valve instruments have a gap in their resonances that starts an octave above it. Even when it is not resonating, a brass instrument will make any frequency that a player can provide with his/her lip sound louder, by what is called "impedance matching": getting more of the energy of the vibration into the atmosphere.

Four-valve instruments like double horns and tubas are chromatic down to their lowest resonance. Very few players of full double horns in F and Bb alto can play down to the lowest note on the instrument and I suspect this may be true of four-valve bass tubas in Bb also.
frumpybabes
My son can play written top A(octave above tuning A) and written low G below middle C. He can comfortably play top F and G most days. Intonation is a problem with low notes sometimes though... but a more advance player will be ok. He is grade 5.
ChrisShelton
QUOTE(kenm @ Jan 6 2006, 10:30 AM) *

Very few players of full double horns in F and Bb alto can play down to the lowest note on the instrument and I suspect this may be true of four-valve bass tubas in Bb also.


Just out of interest, what is the lowest note on a full double? I can get down to an Db under bass clef, do I have much further to go?
jonscott14
yep, to quote steve, it does depend on who's playing it, all trumpet players have a different range, mine is from low e beow middle c - concert to f - two and 1/2 octaves above middle c
hope this helps - if you were writing it for a really good orchestra - such as the LSO or london Phill, then you could write the parts higher than 3 octaves above midle C
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