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segedy
Hi everyone!

I was wondering what the ABRSM diplomas are equivalent to - eg, I heard that the DipABRSM is equivalent to 1st year at university. I also heard that LRSM is equivalent to a degree with honours... ??

Can someone please enlighten me!

PS - I passed my LRSM!!!!!!!!!!!!! Blooming Brilliant!! wink.gif
Fen
Blooming brilliant indeed! Well done!
AnotherPianist
Well done indeed biggrin.gif.

The 'equivalent' comes from the fact that the standard of performance required is the same; however, the two aren't directly interchangeable: the diplomas would perhaps be one or two modules of a degree at that level, so whilst they're at the same level they don't have the same amount of content. It's more correct therefore, to say that a diploma requires an equivalent standard of playing to a degree; than that a diploma is equivalent to a degree. Having said that since you've got both you can probably tell the differences better than I can wink.gif.
mrbouffant
woo segedy!
Little Miss Muffet
congratulations!
segedy
QUOTE(AnotherPianist @ Jan 12 2006, 12:50 AM) *

Well done indeed biggrin.gif.

The 'equivalent' comes from the fact that the standard of performance required is the same; however, the two aren't directly interchangeable: the diplomas would perhaps be one or two modules of a degree at that level, so whilst they're at the same level they don't have the same amount of content. It's more correct therefore, to say that a diploma requires an equivalent standard of playing to a degree; than that a diploma is equivalent to a degree. Having said that since you've got both you can probably tell the differences better than I can wink.gif.



Thanks for that! Yes, that is what I sort of meant, now that I think abuot it. However, my degree wasn't actually as well rounded (in retrospect) as the LRSM stuff I had to do - especially the preparations for that diploma far exceeded the amount of work and challenge and fear of failing than my Bachellor of Music.

In the Jazz stream at my university, it is true that we studied arranging, composition, harmony, improvisation etc, however because the classes were not streamed, the whole lot of us were chucked in one class together. That meant that the drummers (who in my year level started out not being able to read music very fast - let alone know about even simple harmony) were put in with trumpeters (who in my year couldn't read bass clef) with guitarrists (who understand melody and harmony very well, but usually their reading skills werent that crash hot either) with pianists - who have a harder entrance test than the others to even get in - we are expected to sight read at a high level and have a good understand harmony and melody.

You can see that this will not really work - we are all at different levels!!! I tried to get the Conservatorium to change it - to make it like the classical school, who have streamed levels, but for the years I was there it was no good. In the end, to satisfy myself musically and to extend and broaden my knowledge of music, I went to the classical school and sat in on their lessons. Even their intermediate class was doing a million times more complicated musical concepts than Jazz School - for example simple modulations into new keys - the jazz school didn't touch on that until the end of 3rd year, when the classical school started it even in 1st year!

For the LRSM I had to do a LOT of research of not only the composers, but the pieces and how to play them and how to work on my techinique to overcome the complex and technically difficult sections. The whole process was about how to make the music as musical as I could - trying to get in to the piano and draw the sound out of it. The intent of each phrase, the focal point etc, was hard work - you really had to understand a lot f theoretical and harmonic approaches - and this is jus the practical side fo the exam!! The program notes were OK - theyre just like an essay, so I did fine with those. The Viva Voce was another kettle of fish - it was hard to know what he would ask. I had to know the composers' every detail in their lives, their colleagues, a full list of their and their colleagues' works and how they relate to the piece I was playing... the list was very very long indeed that I had to study for...

In short, I am sure that I put MORE work and stresses into the LRSM than my whole time at Uni! And I really enjoyed this exam a lot more than my degree.

AnotherPianist
QUOTE(segedy @ Jan 11 2006, 09:03 PM) *

In short, I am sure that I put MORE work and stresses into the LRSM than my whole time at Uni! And I really enjoyed this exam a lot more than my degree.

This, I think is often the case, once one is in on a degree course universities now tend to spoon-feed to make sure everyone passes. With the LRSM one is much more on one's own and has to work for oneself: the AB are quite happy to fail people! Add this to the fact that music performance is so incredibly competitive and high level compared to other things: I know I'd rate my chances of getting a music degree on the theory/history side a lot higher than on the performance side (or an LRSM) right now! (Not that I'm saying academic degrees are easy, just a lot easier to get to the starting standard for than performance ones, due to years of practise required...).
segedy
QUOTE(AnotherPianist @ Jan 12 2006, 07:21 AM) *

QUOTE(segedy @ Jan 11 2006, 09:03 PM) *

In short, I am sure that I put MORE work and stresses into the LRSM than my whole time at Uni! And I really enjoyed this exam a lot more than my degree.

This, I think is often the case, once one is in on a degree course universities now tend to spoon-feed to make sure everyone passes. With the LRSM one is much more on one's own and has to work for oneself: the AB are quite happy to fail people! Add this to the fact that music performance is so incredibly competitive and high level compared to other things: I know I'd rate my chances of getting a music degree on the theory/history side a lot higher than on the performance side (or an LRSM) right now! (Not that I'm saying academic degrees are easy, just a lot easier to get to the starting standard for than performance ones, due to years of practise required...).


Yes I quite agree - atleast that is what has happened in my situation. Thanks for making me feel less like I have the wrong end of the stick with this! smile.gif
Chiburi
Hi Segedy!

Great news! Congratulations!

I'm slowing working at Grade 6.. and aspire to such lofty heights!! rolleyes.gif !!
segedy
QUOTE(Chiburi @ Jan 12 2006, 07:52 PM) *

Hi Segedy!

Great news! Congratulations!

I'm slowing working at Grade 6.. and aspire to such lofty heights!! rolleyes.gif !!



I remember grade 6 being really really hard when I did it! And then grade 7 after that... Every level is hard when you do it, but after you have accomplished Grade 7, grade 6 stuff doesnt seem so tough anymore. I had to sight read grade 7 for my LRSM and I can tell you, it ISNT easy!! smile.gif I am just glad that the piece they choose for the sightreading is NICE instead of disgustingly horrible! wink.gif

Congratulations for sticking with it. Most people don't bother doing exams after grade 5, so just the mere fact that you are on to actually DOING grade 6 seems to me that you are in it for the long haul - and you getting an LRSM doesnt seem so far fetched to me! You can do it. It comes around the corner so fast. Think about it - you could have a Dip.ABRSM in around 3 or 4 years. What grade at school/college will you be in when 4 years comes? It's good to have a goal!

Talk to you later. Let me know how your grade 6 stuff goes!

Sally
chuhangchun
Normally, the ABRSM recognises the level expected for each diploma is:

DipABRSM = The first year of the university degree or the music conservatory

LRSM = Third Year (Final Year) of the university degree or the music conservatory

FRSM = Fourth Year (or the first year of master degree) of the university degree or the music conservatory
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