xue li
Jan 12 2006, 06:05 AM
This year will be Mozart's 250th birthday if he is still alive.
Does anyone knows the reason of Mozart's death? The scientists can't find his body right? Poor man...
Was he killed by Antonio Salieri?
Or he was too exhausted?
Someone says that he killed himself too...
Which one is correct?
Give your opinions....
crazy_purple_piano_freak
Jan 12 2006, 11:51 AM
I don't know a lot about Mozart but i used to have this mozart book and it said something about how he was already ill and some Count or something asked him to write a Requiem (THE requiem..) because the Counts wife had died but Mozart never finished it because he became more and more ill and started thinking he had been visited by some spirit and that he was writing his own requiem...weird.
Don't some people think he was poisoned too?
kenm
Jan 12 2006, 12:18 PM
Someone with medical knowledge suggested that he died of kidney failure, caused by the return of a disease that he had had earlier. The original story of "Amadeus", if I understand it, is that Salieri, in his crazed old age, hallucinates that he poisoned Mozart, not that he actually did. If Mozart really was poisoned (which historians don't seriously believe), the poisoner was more likely the husband of someone he had seduced.
country_bumpkin
Jan 12 2006, 02:31 PM
I'm going on tour to Salzburg, Austria (where he was born I think or at least lived there anyhoo) with our school jazz band this summer so hopefully we'll get caught up in all the festivals that will be going on! :-D
neil.clarinet
Jan 12 2006, 03:57 PM
I've been to Salzburg twice now. I must have been in every historical Mozart site in Austria. Last year I was there for the festival, saw the Vienna Phil.
I think the answer is he died from kidney failure, or some other long term illness, and the Requiem was left incomplete. Then again, that's just our perception of what historians have constructed about the history of our past. (you can tell I'm a musicologist

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SuzyMac
Jan 12 2006, 04:38 PM
I was listening to one of Classic FM's programs on his life while on a long journey down the M1.....from what it sounded like, it was either kidney failure or a rumbling infection in his heart that tipped him over the edge. Can never be sure without a body to examine though!!
another crazy pianist
Jan 12 2006, 09:49 PM
As kenm pointed out, if Mozart was poisoned, it must have been by the husband of his mistress.
This man tried to kill his wife, who was pregnant, and committed suicide, just the day (or a couple of days) after Mozart's death.
Moreover, at the time there was a kind of poison that caused kidney failure...
And : Konstanze, Mozart's wife, later declared that her husband (Mozart) had told her several times that he believed to be poisoned by someone.
xue li
Jan 13 2006, 04:58 AM
QUOTE(kenm @ Jan 12 2006, 04:18 AM)

Someone with medical knowledge suggested that he died of kidney failure, caused by the return of a disease that he had had earlier. The original story of "Amadeus", if I understand it, is that Salieri, in his crazed old age, hallucinates that he poisoned Mozart, not that he actually did. If Mozart really was poisoned (which historians don't seriously believe), the poisoner was more likely the husband of someone he had seduced.
I watched the movie "Amadeus" too...I think "Salieri" said that he was jealous of Mozart....remember the songs he played and the priest reactions? And he also got angry with Mozart when Mozart played and changed his songs and got better results..in front of the prince! Do this really happens?? I will surely wanted to destroy Mozart if he did that to me too, haha!
Anyway, Mozart was very ill and in very bad condition before his last breath, maybe he was really too exhausted, I saw report that he works about 8 times(or 12 times, I forgot it) more than normal poeple.
Is there anyone who think Mozart actually killed himself? He lost his wife(she ran away) and his child, and he doesn't have any money at the time....and he was stress too....won't you kill yourself for that?
ashmoors
Jan 13 2006, 05:38 AM
I always believed that he died from a fever or something related to that. Its currently believed that he died from a heart failure caused by the fever. But I guess its gonna remains one of life's mysteys

Happy Birthday Mozart
Fen
Jan 13 2006, 09:14 AM
I heard on the radio over the weekend that they have just failed to positively ID a skull as Mozart's. The plan was to extract DNA from a grave used for other members of the family, but sounds like once they analysed samples from those remains, they found the people weren't related anyway.
As you say ashmoors, we'll just have to enjoy the mystery...
another crazy pianist
Jan 13 2006, 08:18 PM
QUOTE(xue li @ Jan 13 2006, 05:58 AM)

Is there anyone who think Mozart actually killed himself? He lost his wife(she ran away) and his child, and he doesn't have any money at the time....and he was stress too....won't you kill yourself for that?[/font]
I don't think Mozart would have killed himself, leaving his Requiem unfinished. This Requiem music (and especially the way he emphasizes certain words) also testifies how afraid he was to die (and go to ######).
Besides, in 1791 Mozart was finally getting real success as a composer; it would have been his final break-through.
Just imagine, if Mozart would have lived old like Haydn (77), he would have known romantism.
Undoubtedly, this romantism would have been considerably different from what it is now, being directly influenced by "the old Mozart". (His later works show that he was already evolving towards another, more emotional style.)
xue li
Jan 14 2006, 05:41 AM
QUOTE(Fen @ Jan 13 2006, 01:14 AM)

I heard on the radio over the weekend that they have just failed to positively ID a skull as Mozart's. The plan was to extract DNA from a grave used for other members of the family, but sounds like once they analysed samples from those remains, they found the people weren't related anyway.
As you say ashmoors, we'll just have to enjoy the mystery...
Yeap, I saw the news from the newspaper few days ago too! What a pity that they failed to identify the skull as Mozarts's.
Looks like the mystery will remain...maybe forever..
segedy
Jan 15 2006, 11:55 AM
in my book it says that Mozart died aged 35, on Monday 5 December 1791. His body was taken to St Marx cemetery, outside Vienna. Because of Emperor Joseph II who wanted to reduce pomp and instead promote equality, Mozart was buried in an unmarked communal grave.
Theories surrounding his death include military fever to murder. however many sources say that it was a combination of several things - including kidney failure, acute rheumatic fever and streptococcal infection. I doubt that it helped him being drained of several litres of blood regularly - which is how doctors treated him close to his death!! In his letters he wrote of being in a lot of pain and even at one stage paralised on one side.
He was ill for several months before his death, and often wrote about it in his letters - approximately starting after the first successful performances of his opera - The Magic Flute.
Thats pretty much all I know.
SuzyMac
Jan 15 2006, 05:03 PM
QUOTE(segedy @ Jan 15 2006, 11:55 AM)

in my book it says that Mozart died aged 35, on Monday 5 December 1791. His body was taken to St Marx cemetery, outside Vienna. Because of Emperor Joseph II who wanted to reduce pomp and instead promote equality, Mozart was buried in an unmarked communal grave.
Theories surrounding his death include military fever to murder. however many sources say that it was a combination of several things - including kidney failure, acute rheumatic fever and streptococcal infection. I doubt that it helped him being drained of several litres of blood regularly - which is how doctors treated him close to his death!! In his letters he wrote of being in a lot of pain and even at one stage paralised on one side.
He was ill for several months before his death, and often wrote about it in his letters - approximately starting after the first successful performances of his opera - The Magic Flute.
Thats pretty much all I know.
Bacterial endocarditis! More common in those who had rhematic fever, throws off clots to brain (cause stroke/TIA and paralysis), fingers/toes/abdomen/kidney (very painful and may lead to kidney failure) - the subacute form can rumble on for a while too. Common cause (nowadays) = strep infection! The blood-leting won't have helped either. Hmmm...maybe we've solved the mystery between us
xue li
Jan 16 2006, 06:17 AM
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Bacterial endocarditis! More common in those who had rhematic fever, throws off clots to brain (cause stroke/TIA and paralysis), fingers/toes/abdomen/kidney (very painful and may lead to kidney failure) - the subacute form can rumble on for a while too. Common cause (nowadays) = strep infection! The blood-leting won't have helped either. Hmmm...maybe we've solved the mystery between us

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Hmm...there's no doubt that you are a medical student...Hopes you can help too when Mozart's body is found(just kidding)...
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