jonscott14
Feb 21 2006, 08:29 PM
Classic FM are doing thier yearly Hall Of Fame - where anyone can choose thier favorite 3 pieces of Classical Music and enter them in to the largest survey of its kind. It'd be interesting to know your top 3 pieces of Classical music, what are your favorites? (whether you voted, havent voted yet, or are not going to vote at all!)
Mine are
Smetena: The Moldau from Ma Vlast (My Country)
Chopin: Winter Wind Etude op.25 no.11
Chopin: nocturne in C# minor
Oddball
Feb 21 2006, 08:29 PM
It's so hard!!! I can't decide!
crazy_purple_piano_freak
Feb 21 2006, 08:42 PM
oooh gosh, I can't remember what I chose...
Rachmaninov - Rhapsody on A theme by Paganini
Vaughn Williams - The Lark Ascending
Howard Shore - LOTR
I think this is what i chose..though I could be wrong.
Oddball
Feb 21 2006, 10:34 PM
Difficult decision
Rachmaninov's Piano concerto no. 2
Beethoven - Moonlight Sonata
Bach - Toccata and Fugue in D minor.
Not in any paticular order.
barry-clari
Feb 22 2006, 12:01 AM
Just three........ nigh on impossible!
I'll have a go though. In no particular order,
Appalachian Spring-Aaron Copland
Symphony no.3 (Organ) -Saint-Saens
Clarinet Concerto K622 -W. A. Mozart
But there's other pieces I think are equally good. Decisions, decisions.....
Barry (clari)
jod
Feb 22 2006, 10:54 AM
Mine very rarely get in but they are
Elgar Dream of Gerontious
Handel Dixit Dominus
Bach Mass in b minor.
At present though I'm really in love with Albeniz Suite Espagnole Op 47 for Piano.
maggiemay
Feb 22 2006, 11:04 AM
Just three........ nigh on impossible!
Agreed!
Brahms Haydn Variations (St Antony)
Vaughan-Williams Tallis Fantasia
Durufle Requiem
Bach St John Passion
Poulenc Concerto for Organ strings and tympani
etc
etc
crazy_purple_piano_freak
Feb 22 2006, 01:28 PM
QUOTE(jonscott14 @ Feb 21 2006, 08:29 PM)

Smetena: The Moldau from Ma Vlast (My Country)
I only heard this piece this morning and I love it!
andante_in_c
Feb 22 2006, 02:20 PM
QUOTE(crazy_purple_piano_freak @ Feb 22 2006, 01:28 PM)

QUOTE(jonscott14 @ Feb 21 2006, 08:29 PM)

Smetena: The Moldau from Ma Vlast (My Country)
I only heard this piece this morning and I love it!

I'm doing a flute quartet version with the college flute ensemble I conduct. It works remarkably well on 4 flutes (it is an abridged version, in case any of you are wondering

).
sarah-flute
Feb 22 2006, 02:29 PM
deleted, talking rubbish, it's vltava that is the river one isn't it?
jod
Feb 22 2006, 02:51 PM
Vlatava and "the Moldau" are one and the same piece and either title is appropriate
sarah-flute
Feb 22 2006, 04:35 PM
Right! Should have stuck with first instincts! Thanks jod... I'm being particularly thick today...
In which case my original comment still stands, which was that I could imagine flutes sounding fabulously watery in this piece

I mean watery in a good way...!
Puff cat
Feb 22 2006, 04:47 PM
I'm playing it in orchestra at the moment. It is lovely, although the viola part is not terribly interesting - lots of repeated chromatic semiquaver passages....
sarah-flute
Feb 22 2006, 04:55 PM
That's what you get for being a viola, sadly.
We'll have to do lots of viola ensembles in concerts so all the violas get to do the exciting bits
Puff cat
Feb 22 2006, 05:05 PM
QUOTE(sarah-flute @ Feb 22 2006, 04:55 PM)

That's what you get for being a viola, sadly.
We'll have to do lots of viola ensembles in concerts so all the violas get to do the exciting bits


I love playing the harmony though, and being in the middle of the texture

If you want to see boring viola music then look at Ravel's Bolero - 56 bars of repeated pizz. chords, 1 note changes and then another 56 bars...
Violas rule!

Yay - in our viola ensemble the violas will have the nice bits all the time, they won't get hijacked by celli or violins
sarah-flute
Feb 22 2006, 05:17 PM
QUOTE(Puff cat @ Feb 22 2006, 05:05 PM)

QUOTE(sarah-flute @ Feb 22 2006, 04:55 PM)

That's what you get for being a viola, sadly.
We'll have to do lots of viola ensembles in concerts so all the violas get to do the exciting bits


I love playing the harmony though, and being in the middle of the texture
Yes

actually I've found viola bits in Chamber music can be pretty good, as the group is smaller you get more exciting bits and still keep the interesting harmonies

QUOTE
If you want to see boring viola music then look at Ravel's Bolero - 56 bars of repeated pizz. chords, 1 note changes and then another 56 bars...
*snore*
Crumbs that must be seriously dull!
QUOTE
Violas rule!

Yay - in our viola ensemble the violas will have the nice bits all the time, they won't get hijacked by celli or violins

*must start requests/suggestions thread...*
crazy_purple_piano_freak
Feb 22 2006, 05:53 PM
Lixandreth
Feb 22 2006, 06:25 PM
Hmm...too many thing to choose from!
I'll have:
Tallis - 40 Part Motet (Spem in Alium) - Simply because it astounds me.
Vaughn-Williams - The Lark Ascending
Vivaldi - Lute/Guitar Concerto in D - I feel the need to represent classical guitar!
pianoman84
Feb 22 2006, 07:52 PM
jonscott14
Feb 22 2006, 08:05 PM
QUOTE(crazy_purple_piano_freak @ Feb 22 2006, 01:28 PM)

QUOTE(jonscott14 @ Feb 21 2006, 08:29 PM)

Smetena: The Moldau from Ma Vlast (My Country)
I only heard this piece this morning and I love it!

its lovely - the whole piece is amazing - all those wonderful tunes!
Ma vlast means my father land and is the title of the whole collection of pieces
Tthere are six peices altogether
Vltava or the moldau is the second movement and describes a river
Cyrilla
Feb 22 2006, 11:10 PM
Ah - I 'did' Vltava for my 'O' Level Music all those years ago...*goes all nostalgic*
Lovely piece (and of course now I can sing it in solfa

)
noodle
Feb 23 2006, 12:01 AM
QUOTE(Cyrilla @ Feb 22 2006, 11:10 PM)

Ah - I 'did' Vltava for my 'O' Level Music all those years ago...*goes all nostalgic*
Lovely piece (and of course now I can sing it in solfa

)

Yes, Vltava is a lovely piece but I've been to the river and was rather disappointed the location didn't seem to match the music.

I was expecting a picturesque setting and it wasn't helped much be a cloudy day!
Solfa - hmmmm. I can't remember. Is it B - E (Bb - Eb?) soh - doh. No, it's minor mi - la. Cyrilla, how does it start??
IrisH - LoonY
Feb 23 2006, 02:50 AM
Rachmaninov Piano Concerto No.2 in C minor
Chopin Etude No.11 in A minor "Winter Wind"
Vaughn Williams The Lark Ascending
andante_in_c
Feb 23 2006, 08:46 AM
Right, here goes:
Ravel: Menuet Antique (orchestral version);
Vaughan Williams: Fantasia on a theme by Thomas Tallis;
Poulenc: Gloria (tieing with Verdi Requiem, but just pipping it to the post today).
bohemian
Feb 23 2006, 09:20 AM
Bach: St Matthew Passion OR Mozart Reqium
Sarasate: Zigeunerweisen (played by Kennedy)
Bach: Partita in D minor (played by Zina Schiff)
But I would also like the Mendelssohn violin concerto and a Vivaldi concerto...
tzl_tzl
Feb 23 2006, 09:48 AM
Chopin Fantasie Impromptu
Telemann's flute concerto
Vivaldi's "four season"[Spring especially...next summer

]
Yeah...it's a difficult choice! I really wanted to put in Pachabel's Canon!!
crazy_purple_piano_freak
Feb 23 2006, 09:50 AM
eeek I know I didn't vote for him but I hope Einaudi does better than last year....I think all three of his pieces were on the big fallers list.
Tess
Feb 23 2006, 09:53 AM
Rachmaninov Piano Concerto No.2 in C minor is my top favourite.
The next two favourites are impossible to decide! However, they are likely to be by Mozart / Chopin / Bach / Brahms. I LOVE ALL 4 of them!
Not Beethoven, please, please, please. He's too complex for simple old me.
the_viola
Feb 23 2006, 09:57 AM
QUOTE(tzl_tzl @ Feb 23 2006, 09:48 AM)

Yeah...it's a difficult choice! I really wanted to put in Pachabel's Canon!!
Can I please ask everyone not to vote for Canon, as it is the most boring piece of music ever, to play that is. I am always being asked when doing gigs, 'can you play Pachabel's Canon.' We play it, just to keep them happy. Vote for proper music, like Wagner, Bach Caconne (unacc. violin music), Racmaninov, anything but Canon and The Arrival of the Queen of Sheba!
Sorry, I might have sounded a little rude, but I mean it.
Cyrilla
Feb 23 2006, 10:13 AM
Yup, noodle, it's minor so starts mi-la...
m, l, t, d r m mm f f m
m r r r d rd d t, t, t,l,
etc etc!!
noodle
Feb 23 2006, 11:08 AM
Thanks Cyrilla. I'm never sure about solfa in minor keys.

It will sink in eventually, I suppose....
crazy_purple_piano_freak
Feb 23 2006, 12:10 PM
Cyrilla
Feb 23 2006, 01:18 PM
Good for you, CPPF!
I know it can take a while to sink in that the tonic in the minor is lah, not doh - but thinking in terms of the relative major can help (ie doh remains the same note - eg F is doh in F major and in D minor).
I think you asked about singing in solfa for the aural tests on another thread, CPPF? My inclination would be (naturally!) to sing in solfa - as you say, it helps you to keep in tune. I think your main concern is that you're not fluent enough to sing in solfa at speed. I'm afraid there isn't really a solution to that other than practice!
If I can be of any more solfa help, please just say!
noodle
Feb 23 2006, 02:07 PM
QUOTE(Cyrilla @ Feb 23 2006, 01:18 PM)

Good for you, CPPF!
I know it can take a while to sink in that the tonic in the minor is lah, not doh - but thinking in terms of the relative major can help (ie doh remains the same note - eg F is doh in F major and in D minor).
Noodle is confuzzled! So if Vltava started B, C#, D#, E, G, what's the C# and D# called? That's s, l, t, d - in E major, but then the rest of the minor scale would be wrong.

I give up!
sarah-flute
Feb 23 2006, 02:39 PM
QUOTE(the_viola @ Feb 23 2006, 09:57 AM)

QUOTE(tzl_tzl @ Feb 23 2006, 09:48 AM)

Yeah...it's a difficult choice! I really wanted to put in Pachabel's Canon!!
Can I please ask everyone not to vote for Canon, as it is the most boring piece of music ever, to play that is. I am always being asked when doing gigs, 'can you play Pachabel's Canon.' We play it, just to keep them happy. Vote for proper music, like Wagner, Bach Caconne (unacc. violin music), Racmaninov, anything but Canon and The Arrival of the Queen of Sheba!
Sorry, I might have sounded a little rude, but I mean it.
I have to agree that while the Canon is quite pretty, it's overplayed and it's not that exciting. I wouldn't put it in the top 10 or even probably the top 100 pieces ever written. It's OK, & I've played it several times, but it doesn't come close to being the best. It's a
nice enough piece...
Cyrilla
Feb 23 2006, 03:11 PM
QUOTE(noodle @ Feb 23 2006, 02:07 PM)

Noodle is confuzzled! So if Vltava started B, C#, D#, E, G, what's the C# and D# called? That's s, l, t, d - in E major, but then the rest of the minor scale would be wrong.

I give up!

Er - think I'm confuzzled now!
Yes, B, C#, D#, E is s, l, t, d in E major. It would be m fi si l in E minor.
Ummm - sorry, can't remember the exact key of the main melody as it first appears - but say it was in E minor then it would start B E F# G A B B B C C B, which would be m, l, t, d r m mm f f m in solfa, because E would be lah and G would be doh (relative Em/GM).
Eeeep.
Hope this makes SOME sort of sense...
noodle
Feb 23 2006, 04:44 PM
QUOTE(Cyrilla @ Feb 23 2006, 03:11 PM)

QUOTE(noodle @ Feb 23 2006, 02:07 PM)

Noodle is confuzzled! So if Vltava started B, C#, D#, E, G, what's the C# and D# called? That's s, l, t, d - in E major, but then the rest of the minor scale would be wrong.

I give up!

Er - think I'm confuzzled now!
Yes, B, C#, D#, E is s, l, t, d in E major. It would be m fi si l in E minor.
Aaah. Think I need to find out names of accidentals in solfa.
QUOTE(Cyrilla @ Feb 23 2006, 03:11 PM)

Ummm - sorry, can't remember the exact key of the main melody as it first appears - but say it was in E minor then it would start B E F# G A B B B C C B, which would be m, l, t, d r m mm f f m in solfa, because E would be lah and G would be doh (relative Em/GM).
I can understand that ok, it's just the accidentals I haven't got to grips with. I think the original melody is E minor (or Eb minor?) but this is getting complicated enough for my little brain so we'll stick to E minor.
So if it started B, D#, E then it would be m, si la?
Thanks Cyrilla!

I'm sure you're glad I'm not in any of your classes!
bohemian
Feb 23 2006, 05:07 PM
QUOTE(the_viola @ Feb 23 2006, 09:57 AM)

Can I please ask everyone not to vote for Canon, as it is the most boring piece of music ever, to play that is. I am always being asked when doing gigs, 'can you play Pachabel's Canon.' We play it, just to keep them happy. Vote for proper music, like Wagner, Bach Caconne (unacc. violin music), Racmaninov, anything but Canon and The Arrival of the Queen of Sheba!
Yes, the Canon (WHICH ISN'T EVEN A CANON) isn't the most complex music ever. But I don't see why people shouldn't vote for it - it's well known for a reason. And it IS proper music. I like the Arrival of the Queen of Sheba though.
Wagner - proper music? Bah. No more than anything else. Some of it is a waste of time, IMHO.
PS - if it's proper music, and you're going to bash everything else, at least spell it properly
Cyrilla
Feb 23 2006, 11:43 PM
Noodle, I would LOVE to have you in one of my classes!!!
Yup, B D# E would be m si l
noodle
Feb 24 2006, 12:00 AM
Which one?? Your year 3 class know more than I do.
Cyrilla
Feb 24 2006, 09:25 AM
PAH!!!! NOT TRUE!!!!!!
kenm
Feb 24 2006, 10:30 AM
This is an impossible question to answer sensibly, because there are so many pieces that move to the top of my list when I have just heard them, but I decided to post here when I saw how many viola players managed not to choose one of the great Mozart string quintets. For the two violas, the best would be the G minor, K516. The minuet, in particular, is technically undemanding: only the first violin has quavers, and I would estimate that the lower parts need no more than Grade 5 standard. However, that is not why it gets on the short list: the reasons for that are its emotional charge, its formal shapeliness and its thematic unity.
For my other two works I would choose (today, at least) Beethoven's Symphony No 3 in Eb, "Eroica", which changed the course of symphonic music and has the most magnificent slow movement of any of his symphonies; and finally (even though it is not strictly Classical) Debussy's Prelude à "L'après-midi d'un faune", which many historians of music* consider the first 20th century work, even though it was written in 1894!
* Olivier Messiaen reckoned that Debussy was the most important influence on 20th C. composers.
Deborah
Feb 24 2006, 10:46 AM
Hmm, let's see...
Mozart: Clarinet Concerto

Mozart:
Don GiovanniMahler: Symphony No 2,
ResurrectionJ.S. Bach: Mass in B minor
Mozart: Requiem
Wagner:
Die WalkureTallis: 4-part mass
R. Strauss:
Der RosenkavalierFor my book I'd like
Anna Karenina, and please may I have a Steinway Grand as my luxury item?
Oh hang on, I've got the wrong programme, haven't I

Feel free to vote for any of the above though
the_viola
Feb 24 2006, 02:31 PM
QUOTE(bohemian @ Feb 23 2006, 05:07 PM)

QUOTE(the_viola @ Feb 23 2006, 09:57 AM)

Can I please ask everyone not to vote for Canon, as it is the most boring piece of music ever, to play that is. I am always being asked when doing gigs, 'can you play Pachabel's Canon.' We play it, just to keep them happy. Vote for proper music, like Wagner, Bach Caconne (unacc. violin music), Racmaninov, anything but Canon and The Arrival of the Queen of Sheba!
Yes, the Canon (WHICH ISN'T EVEN A CANON) isn't the most complex music ever. But I don't see why people shouldn't vote for it - it's well known for a reason. And it IS proper music. I like the Arrival of the Queen of Sheba though.
Wagner - proper music? Bah. No more than anything else. Some of it is a waste of time, IMHO.
PS - if it's proper music, and you're going to bash everything else, at least spell it properly

If you are refering to my spelling of the Bach Caconne, it is spelt two or three different ways, such as Caconne and Chaconne. Other than that, I realise I spelt Rachmaninov wrong, only becuase I was distracted. I am SO SORRY!
Deborah, I think that you are thinking of Desert Island Disc's, why the Mozart Clarnet Concerto?
noodle
Feb 24 2006, 02:58 PM
QUOTE(Cyrilla @ Feb 24 2006, 09:25 AM)

PAH!!!! NOT TRUE!!!!!!

Very true!! Even Bagpuss has a cat able to do hand signs. *feels useless*
the_viola, Why shouldn't people vote for Canon if they want to? I know it wouldn't be in my choice of top three classical pieces but it might be for others or do you expect everyone to choose our favourites out of yours?
Cyrilla
Feb 24 2006, 03:34 PM
Ah, yes, to see Felix doing his paw signs is something else...
Please don't feel useless, noodle - come June you'll be handsigning away with ease!
Deborah
Feb 24 2006, 03:36 PM
QUOTE(the_viola @ Feb 24 2006, 02:31 PM)

Deborah, I think that you are thinking of Desert Island Discs
My attempts at a little humour after all the sol-fa above.
QUOTE(the_viola @ Feb 24 2006, 02:31 PM)

Why the Mozart Clarinet Concerto?
Occupational hazard of being a clarinettist! I'd being playing for a couple of years when I first heard it, and it really made me sit up and go "WOW"! I swore that I'd learn it one day, so when I saw that the final movement was on the Grade VIII syllabus, I leapt at the chance - now there's no stopping me!
Cyrilla
Feb 24 2006, 03:38 PM
Aw, Deborah, believe me, solfa has a humour all of its own!
Apologies if I hijacked the thread and upset you - I was just trying to answer noodle's questions.
Deborah
Feb 24 2006, 04:08 PM
Oh no Cyrilla, I'm not upset in the slightest. I know how passionately you feel about solfa, and of the benefits it brings, so don't mind me when I say VOTE FOR THE MOZART CLARINET CONCERTO
Cyrilla
Feb 24 2006, 05:17 PM
Aw I love that piece too!!! I'll never forget hearing Jack Brymer play it at the Fairfield Halls about 15 years ago...
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