Silver pianist
May 20 2004, 08:38 AM
I expect that most of you have seen the preview of the 2005/2006 Grade 8 piano syllabus in the latest edition of Libretto. You can download Libretto from this site.
Sorry if this is not news!!
Lucia
May 20 2004, 11:08 AM
Yes I saw this but I'm waiting for the Grade 6 syllabus. I wish we could have a preview of that.
Silver pianist
May 20 2004, 12:50 PM
Not of course that I will be taking grade 8 for a fair long while either!! If at all!!
Silver pianist
May 20 2004, 02:57 PM
I do not know. My teacher has had to retire (she is 83) and I am gutted because I am not sure how I will get on with a new person after 10 years with her.
I must confess that it has done nothing for my confidence when on another thread people have been saying that you should not go on to the next grade unless you have got at least a merit. And me with my 101 for grade 6!! And I did have a gap of 2 and a half years before G5 and G6!
Emma C
May 20 2004, 03:12 PM
| QUOTE (Silver pianist @ May 20 2004, 02:57 PM) |
| I must confess that it has done nothing for my confidence when on another thread people have been saying that you should not go on to the next grade unless you have got at least a merit. |
I must admit, I did feel it was a bit harsh too. We all work hard for exams, but we are not all as musically gifted as others. Those of us who are a bit older should be really proud of our achievements, and pleased that our teachers have enough confidence in us that we go on and do more. My teacher thought I'd get a high merit in my Grade 6 - I didn't. For whatever reason on the day I did not do as well as I could have done, and whatever people say, when you are older, nerves do play a big part. But I take heart from the fact that the examiner himself said that I will go on to further success, confidence and enjoyment. That's important. My teacher suggested Grade 8 next, but I want to do Grade 7 for the experience. But I'm in no hurry. Having waited so long, what's another year or two? Go for it Silver Pianist - don't give up now, find another teacher, and carry on with your music. Have confidence in yourself, adn book some more lessons....
Fiona
May 20 2004, 03:38 PM
Here, here !!!
I'm an adult pianist and violinist.
I've been playing for 4yrs and doing GIII June GVI theory Nov.
Don't let any of the threads put you off !
Unless you are planning on being a concert pianist, why is it so important to get a high merit/distinction ? I know it would be nice an all but it doesn't always happen in exam conditions does it ?
I think as long as you aren't just scraping a pass, it doesn't really matters about going onto the next grade. It all depends what you want from it.
I know what you mean though about losing your teacher.
My piano teacher and I were having a conversation about a new piano for him as his current one is on it's way out. He said "whats the point?, I 'll be retiring soon"
Aaahhhhh !!!!
He is in his sixties but I have told him he's not allowed to retire. Not until I've done GVIII at least !!!

Which will be a long time off.
Don't loose hope. Find another teacher and keep up the good work !
Fiona
Silver pianist
May 20 2004, 03:40 PM
Thanks for that, Emma C!
I certainly won't give up but I feel that I will give myself heaps of time (i.e.YEARS) before the next exam and I am tempted to go for grade 7....
andante_in_c
May 20 2004, 04:31 PM
Don't be discourages, Silver Pianist
There's a bigger gap between Grade 5 and Grade 6 than any of the other grades. That's because the marking criteria change for pieces, and what would have got you a merit at lower grades may only get you a pass at Grade 6 and above. Much more emphasis is put on musicianship, and this is on top of the pieces being harder
The gap between Grade 6 and Grade 7 isn't as big as between 5 and 6, once you've mastered the scales, that is.
I've been downloading some of the new Grade 8 pieces at the rate of 2 a day, and I think I'm going to have trouble with List B. I just can't reach the chords I would need for the Beethoven, and the Mozart requires more nimble fingerwork than I am capable of at the moment.
I just love the Debussy Arabesque, though. I've got a recording of Thiebaudet playing it, and it's beautiful, but incredibly fast. And I've always hated arpeggios (my small stretch again

)
Silver pianist
May 21 2004, 08:17 AM
andante_in_ c
Where from and how do you download?
DavidMusic
May 21 2004, 08:54 AM
Downloading is illegal, just go and buy the CDs, it's not expensive.
andante_in_c
May 21 2004, 09:56 AM
I'm not downloading recordings, David, but sheet music. As recommended elsewhere on these forums, I'm using the sheet music archive at www. sheetmusicarchive.net. Hence the two a day restriction. All the pieces available there are out of copyright.
maggiemay
May 21 2004, 12:36 PM
| QUOTE |
| must confess that it has done nothing for my confidence when on another thread people have been saying that you should not go on to the next grade unless you have got at least a merit. |
Oh dear - now I feel gutted.
I'm truly sorry if anything I said in another thread was offputting.
It's true that I aim for a safe margin when preparing candidates. But I do think that adult candidates can suffer more from nerves than younger pupils, and if I remember correctly, when I replied to that thread I mostly had my younger ones in mind. A bare pass with a youngster is often the result of sketchy preparation (not always of course), and I know that you had a hand or arm injury in the run up to your exam - surely that might have made all the difference? I don't think you should look back - carry on up the grades if that is what you 'd like to do.
I'm sorry to learn that you are losing your teacher. No doubt that idea will take a bit of getting used to. Regard it as a hiccup and find that new teacher! You will have the cumulative benefit of two teachers' approaches rather than just one. Let us know how it goes.
Maggie
AnotherPianist
May 21 2004, 01:17 PM
Two points which aren't particularly related to each other...
There are plenty of legal ways to download music; the
Naxos Website most of the Naxos catalogue available to stream to listen to: okay, so you're not allowed to keep it, but you can listen to it as many times as you want so long as you stream it each time; they've encoded them to be small to download so the quality isn't brilliant but it's certainly good enough to see if you like it either to buy their recording, or whether you want to play it.
If music was written more than 100 years ago it's now out of copyright to the composer, which means any amateur musician is free to record it and make their recording available freely to the world should they wish (obviously they could copyright their playing of it if they wished). I believe that there are many such recordings on mp3.com (I saw a complete set of Beethoven Sonatas there once; although I haven't looked for a long time). There are also midi files which people have entered of no-longer-copyrighted works that are freely available.
| QUOTE |
| I must confess that it has done nothing for my confidence when on another thread people have been saying that you should not go on to the next grade unless you have got at least a merit. |
I think that if you read that carefully you'll find a pleasant surprise in there: no one actually agreed with the fact that pupils should re-sit the previous exam; more that additional care and preparation was taken in preparing for the next exam and the comments from the previous exams were acted upon before entry into the next grade. In your case maybe the only extra care needed is care of your hand before then next exam so that you don't hurt it again
; or maybe you can glean something from the examiners comments to help you to improve for the next grade. The other thing worth noting is that many of the comments were about a string of just scrapes not just a one off scrape; and most were referring to these resulting from being in a tearing hurry to get all the grades done in a short period of time.
It depends on what you are trying to obtain from getting the grades; I've heard many people say that they like to use them to measure their progress against others (or against a benchmark standard), if this is the case and one just scrapes a pass then I think that one could be getting a false sense of faster progress than one is making and thus not fulfilling their intentions for taking the exam. It also depends what you want to get from your playing what do you prefer to do: play harder pieces to a satisfactory standard (i.e. scrape a higher grade) or play easier pieces well (i.e. get more marks on an earlier grade)? And is there any rush: maybe one doesn't want to take the earlier grades but one could still play repertoire around the level that one's playing changes from good to satisfactory and work up gradually from there to have good playing as the difficulty increases; on the other hand maybe one feels that one's playing will never be good enough for a merit/distinction at any level so one would rather play harder pieces 'well enough' than easier pieces 'well enough'.
If you do have a differing opinion to people please join in and make a comment or support the arguments of people that have similar thoughts to you; a two sided argument is far more interesting than a one sided one! The teachers don't mind students posting in the teachers' forum if they have something worthwile to contribute (at least I hope they don't, no one has complained about anything I or other students have written yet!).
Finally, I must add that I have the utmost respect for what you have done: taken something that you've always wanted to do and done it; too many people in this world say they've always wanted to do something and never do it, even though they still can: good for you
. Don't give up the piano, it's something you enjoy: find another teacher and keep going, I'm sure that you'll manage grade 7 in the future with enough preparation, good luck!
andante_in_c
May 21 2004, 01:19 PM
Whereabouts do you live, Silver Pianist? I'm only asking because some of us might know of a suitable teacher for you. My piano teacher has a number of adult students, and is brilliant at organising informal 'play-throughs' for us. Several of us have almost got rid of our nerves now.
Alvin
May 21 2004, 01:42 PM
If you are clever enough with affairs in computer, you will find that actually there is no limits on the number of downloads per day in www.sheetmusicarchive.net.
cressida
May 21 2004, 01:57 PM
| QUOTE (Silver pianist @ May 20 2004, 02:57 PM) |
I do not know. My teacher has had to retire (she is 83) and I am gutted because I am not sure how I will get on with a new person after 10 years with her.
I must confess that it has done nothing for my confidence when on another thread people have been saying that you should not go on to the next grade unless you have got at least a merit. And me with my 101 for grade 6!! And I did have a gap of 2 and a half years before G5 and G6! |
I would be really upset if I had to change teachers. I think it's quite a unique relationship which takes time to develop...... Don't give up though! Bite the bullet and try out a couple of others before committing.
...and, I don't think I've told you this, but I can beat you on the scrape - I got 100 for Grade 5 in April 2003, but I was overjoyed as I'd had such a terrible year.
...and I'm going for Grade 6 before the green book syllabus runs out. I was thinking of this autumn, but next spring is looking more like it now. I've decided to take time off exams after g6 (whether I pass it or not) as I want to play different pieces and to concentrate for a time on doing something about my sight reading.
...and I'm going to read 'How to play the piano despite years of lessons' by Ward Cannel. I bought it a while ago but only flicked through it as yet. I was attracted by the title
(Anybody read it?)
PS. My weakness (well-one of many) is in reading books about playing the piano...when I should be spending the time sight-reading!!
AnotherPianist
May 21 2004, 02:01 PM
| QUOTE (Alvin @ May 21 2004, 01:42 PM) |
| If you are clever enough with affairs in computer, you will find that actually there is no limits on the number of downloads per day in www.sheetmusicarchive.net. |
And if you are clever enough not to publicise this too widely it may be that you can continue to do it
! Why not send the person who wants to do it a personal message?!
Silver pianist
May 21 2004, 03:24 PM
Maggiemay
No, my fault, entirely. So please, please, please do not feel gutted! I value so enormously all the comments from you teachers and sometimes I wish that one could learn the piano through "distance learning" as hearing all your wisdom and experience it would be wonderful to have you as teachers! I'm jealous of your students!
I am just going through a bad patch at the moment, made worse by my teacher's impending retirement!! I suppose I reacted because it did cross my mind to do grade 6 again and my teacher wisely said an emphatic "no"!
Another Pianist and Maggiemay Yes, I have taken the comments out of context. I am telling myself that it was a one-off not helped by the arm injury but all the same one always has those feelings and self-doubts at the back of the mind that one might not really be up to "grade 6 scratch". But I have decided to use the coming months/year to consolidate, get used to the new teacher and hear his/her remarks on my playing. I am in no rush. I will continue to enjoy playing new pieces, will make sure that I do regular sightreading and scales and just see how it goes with whether or not I do the next grade. I think that is the most sensible way forward.
Cressida
Thanks for your remarks. I feel as, I have said before, that our experiences are so similar. Good luck with the grade 6.
Andante_ in_ C
Thanks for the offer! I have actually found a new teacher as I had to get my children sorted out as well and wanted one really local and easy to get to (after school and all that). Luckily I live in an area where there is no shortage of good teachers and the teacher we have found sounds wonderful. So we'll see how it all goes.
Alvin
May 22 2004, 10:08 AM
| QUOTE (AnotherPianist @ May 21 2004, 02:01 PM) |
And if you are clever enough not to publicise this too widely it may be that you can continue to do it ! Why not send the person who wants to do it a personal message?! |
With my knowledge on computer, I know that even the web site owner knows this method, he can't prevent it as it is unavoidable.
AnotherPianist
May 22 2004, 11:57 AM
| QUOTE |
| With my knowledge on computer, I know that even the web site owner knows this method, he can't prevent it as it is unavoidable. |
There are many ways of preventing these things; even if it's the final measure of closing the site as the bandwidth is proving too costly for them (this being the reason the limit was introduced in the first place).
maggiemay
May 22 2004, 12:19 PM
| QUOTE |
| So please, please, please do not feel gutted! I value so enormously all the comments from you teachers and |
Many thanks SilverPianist for your kind reply.
Nevertheless my remark (somewhere? last wk) about seeing red warning lights if marks dropped was perhaps a little thoughtless.
I would echo AnotherPianist 's remark, though, that it's a whole string of scraped passes that we find worrying, rather than the occasional dip!
I certainly agree with your teacher that you should not think of taking grade 6 again. Looking back a few years, I can't remember an instance when I have felt that a re-take would be a good idea, so no, it's not something I advocate.
Hope it goes well with your new teacher ...... have you made the change-over yet?
kind regards
Maggie
Mrs Beethoven
May 23 2004, 07:42 PM
anyone shed any light on what some of the piano pieces for grade 8 will be?
AnotherPianist
May 23 2004, 08:36 PM
| QUOTE |
| anyone shed any light on what some of the piano pieces for grade 8 will be? |
I can do better than that: all of them
; they're in the current issue of Libretto which you can find here.
Silver pianist
May 23 2004, 08:38 PM
Mrs Beethoven
Go back to the very beginning of this thread!
Maggie
No. not yet. Probably from September, the new term. I will stay with my current teacher for the rest of the summer. Just wanted to get the kids satrted this term with the new teacher.
josephlau
May 24 2004, 02:51 AM
| QUOTE (Alvin @ May 21 2004, 01:42 PM) |
| If you are clever enough with affairs in computer, you will find that actually there is no limits on the number of downloads per day in www.sheetmusicarchive.net. |
Yep! create a profile then delete after reach the quota!
StuMac
May 24 2004, 03:41 PM
Quite surpried that Debussy Arabesque no 1 is included. Its a wonderful piece of music and one of my all time favorites. I've explored the first page as I really like that impressionist piano style and my teacher suggested I might have a go at it as a "major" project! However, I wouldn't *dream* of doing the grade 8 exam - the other pieces look so hard I can't imagine ever playing them no matter how much I practised!
It was the same a few years ago when I learned Gymnopodie no. 1. That's another favorite that I still play a lot. I was really surprised when that cropped up in the grade 6 exam. At the time all the other pieces I was playing were grade about grade 4.
After comments on ABRSM board from other 'mature' players I'm starting to think about grade 6, despite swearing I would never take another exam in my life! See what the pieces look like when the list comes out!!
Silver pianist
May 26 2004, 09:26 AM
StuMac
I reckon that the reason why the Satie was in the G6 syllabus was less the technical difficulty but more the degree of musicality that is needed to play it with expression. It offers so much, has endless musical possibilities and is a real test of what examiners are looking for in the higher grades, especially the subtle pedalling that is needed to make it sound right.
I, too, am daunted looking at the G8 stuff (out of curiosity of course!)
BTW Did you ever look at the Maxwell Davies Farewell to Stromness?
cressida
May 26 2004, 10:46 AM
| QUOTE (Silver pianist @ May 26 2004, 09:26 AM) |
BTW Did you ever look at the Maxwell Davies Farewell to Stromness? |
This is one I want to have a go at. Beautiful piece! I ordered the music a while ago but it hasn't arrived yet!
(More similarities... Silver Pianist!)
maggiemay
May 26 2004, 12:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| This is one I want to have a go at. Beautiful piece! |
Me too. I heard it on the radio once and was slightly hooked ....
Maggie
Silver pianist
May 26 2004, 01:12 PM
I am so hooked on it!!
As I said, my piano teacher asked my daughter who played Stac Poly (can't remember spelling?) in her recent grade 4, to have a go at it. She bought the score, back in 1980, when it first came out.
I have grabbed it and my daughter cannot get a look in! It 's in the same Scottish vein as Stac and is a wonderful performance piece. I want my daughter to play it at the next school concert because it is different and will make a change from the grade pieces that people usually churn out on sucha occasions! I am tempted to start a new thread on it, just as Natalie has done with Einaudi LOL!
I actually managed to sight read it tolerably well (Well, kind of!) so I was quite pleased with myself! But I am now at the stage of trying to play it as it should sound and there are lots of tricky bits to keep even you accomplished pianists going. Trying to get the right fingering to keep the legato without having to use the pedal etc. Certainly one that I shall put, eventually, in my repertoire book.
They play it on Classic FM on occasions and it rose to number 76 in their charts!!. They say that it has gained popularity again after all these years since Peter Maxwell Davies became Master of the Queen's Music. I recorded it on to tape. It's magic! The pianist is Simon Mulligan.
Sorry to go on!
StuMac
May 27 2004, 11:02 AM
| QUOTE (Silver pianist @ May 26 2004, 09:26 AM) |
StuMac
I reckon that the reason why the Satie was in the G6 syllabus was less the technical difficulty but more the degree of musicality that is needed to play it with expression. It offers so much, has endless musical possibilities and is a real test of what examiners are looking for in the higher grades, especially the subtle pedalling that is needed to make it sound right.
I, too, am daunted looking at the G8 stuff (out of curiosity of course!)
BTW Did you ever look at the Maxwell Davies Farewell to Stromness? |
My teacher says exactly the same about the Satie piece, and recons that the Arabesque is the direct 'grade 8' equivalent - technically easy for the grade but requires a strong sense of expression to play well. Still quite a challenge though.
I haven't noticed the Maxwell davis piece, but will keep an eye out for it.
Still think we should e-mail moderators and ask for a separate 'mature beginers' forum!!
bp_1990
May 30 2004, 06:33 PM
Any idea as to the Grade 7 Piano Syllabus for 2005-2006?
Cool_Tori
Jun 17 2004, 08:16 PM
Has the Debussy Arabesque no.1 in E ever been on a grade eight syllabus before? I thought it would be about grade seven standard? Has the second Arabesque ever been on a graded syllabus? What standard would it be?
A reply would be greatly appreciated
the shy pianist
Jul 12 2004, 10:15 PM
| QUOTE (andante_in_c @ May 20 2004, 04:31 PM) |
I just love the Debussy Arabesque, though. I've got a recording of Thiebaudet playing it, and it's beautiful, but incredibly fast. And I've always hated arpeggios (my small stretch again ) |
I have small hands: hand span = 1 octave but I managed it without much problems! It's a beautiful piece. I love playing it after a stressful day at work.
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