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Car Expert
I kind of agree with what Eddie Jordan said during the race. Vettel felt he had to find a way past Webber so he could try to reassert himself as the main Red Bull championship contender. Obviously it didn't pay off in the end, but with Webber winning the previous two races, he had to do something about it.

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Bagpuss
Red Bull certainly seem to favour Vettel who was, imo, in the wrong. No matter what the circumstances he should not have risked taking his team-mate out and from where I was sitting Webber had the racing line and didn't budge from it.

Personally I wouldn't mind helping Mark Webber get his rubber up to racing temperature any time he likes... happy.gif

Bx
Arundodonuts
QUOTE(Bagpuss @ Jun 1 2010, 03:00 PM) *

Personally I wouldn't mind helping Mark Webber get his rubber up to racing temperature any time he likes... happy.gif

Bx

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Bagpuss
La la la........

Bx
barry-clari
QUOTE(Bagpuss @ Jun 1 2010, 05:41 PM) *

La la la........

Bx


Nice to see you practising your Kodaly tongue.gif
Car Expert
In the midst of all the World Cup madness, there's a Grand Prix to look forward to this weekend (in Canada) biggrin.gif

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barry-clari
QUOTE(Car Expert @ Jun 11 2010, 06:45 PM) *

In the midst of all the World Cup madness, there's a Grand Prix to look forward to this weekend (in Canada) biggrin.gif

Car Expert


And it's usually one of the best races of the year : usually full of incident.
Car Expert
At last, a Red Bull is not in pole position...rolleyes.gif

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Car Expert
Another British/McLaren 1-2 yesterday in an action-packed race biggrin.gif

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barry-clari
Ooo...no mention of the last Grand Prix - it's still a British 1-2 at the top of the standings, despite Vettel winning on Sunday...
Car Expert
It's the British Grand Prix this weekend biggrin.gif

Both Red Bulls on the front row again. Boring...rolleyes.gif tongue.gif

Hamilton 4th, Button only managed 14th...

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barry-clari
Interesting what Mark Webber said over the radio after winning today... 'not bad for a no. 2 driver'...

Anyone else think that Webber is being treated really shabbily by his team?...
Sunrise
QUOTE(barry-clari @ Jul 11 2010, 01:37 PM) *

Interesting what Mark Webber said over the radio after winning today... 'not bad for a no. 2 driver'...

Anyone else think that Webber is being treated really shabbily by his team?...


Definately!!! Nice result for Hamilton too...
barry-clari
Now, if I were Felipe Massa, I'd be rather disappointed...
Sunrise
Oh please let the stewards actually enforce the rules...that was disgraceful! Poor poor Felipe, his face says it all.
Bagpuss
How disappointing for the lovely Felipe Massa, especially considering the horrendous accident he had this time last year. This was the first time since his return that I've seen him drive like his old self.

Sadly team orders, technically "banned" or not, are part of F1 and always have been. That doesn't make it right and this was lousy viewing. I'd have like to have seen a proper scrap and Alonso may well have made it past eventually.

Ferrari should be ashamed of themselves.

Pit-Bag x
Arundodonuts
QUOTE(Bagpuss @ Jul 25 2010, 04:44 PM) *

How disappointing for the lovely Felipe Massa, especially considering the horrendous accident he had this time last year. This was the first time since his return that I've seen him drive like his old self.

Sadly team orders, technically "banned" or not, are part of F1 and always have been.

And always will be. Trying to ban team orders was a stupid move anyway. Disappointing for Massa yes, but it IS a team.
Sunrise
Well it's a $100,000 fine but the results still stand. That's a huge deterrent for Ferrari, isn't it? The best funded team in F1. Disgusted.
clavicembalo
QUOTE(Dawnmc71 @ Jul 25 2010, 06:18 PM) *

Well it's a $100,000 fine but the results still stand. That's a huge deterrent for Ferrari, isn't it? The best funded team in F1. Disgusted.


Merely the cost of a few tyres. sad.gif
barry-clari
QUOTE(Dawnmc71 @ Jul 25 2010, 06:18 PM) *

Well it's a $100,000 fine but the results still stand. That's a huge deterrent for Ferrari, isn't it? The best funded team in F1. Disgusted.


It goes against the spirit of racing for its own sake. It might be a romantic view, but I think this incident is terribly sad. sad.gif
Sunrise
and what about those who bet on the race, with Massa to win....now if it was horseracing.....what an outcry!
Arundodonuts
I would be interested to hear the various team managers' views of the "no team orders" rule. My bet is that in reality, none of them like it.
oldnotes
$100,000 - cheap at the price. Such things have always taken place, Felipe could have made it a little less obvious. It's not a good rule. wink.gif
vectistim
Doubtless had it been any team other than Fiat (or The Cheat's) at the least the team would have lost the points from the race for the constructor's championship.
barry-clari
QUOTE(vectistim @ Jul 25 2010, 08:48 PM) *

Doubtless had it been any team other than Fiat (or The Cheat's) at the least the team would have lost the points from the race for the constructor's championship.


Ferrari have been summoned to the FIA in September, to explain...
Sunrise
QUOTE(barry-clari @ Jul 26 2010, 02:24 PM) *

QUOTE(vectistim @ Jul 25 2010, 08:48 PM) *

Doubtless had it been any team other than Fiat (or The Cheat's) at the least the team would have lost the points from the race for the constructor's championship.


Ferrari have been summoned to the FIA in September, to explain...

mmm and who is the head of the FIA??? John Todd!!
vectistim
This seems to explain what happened with the Fiat cars on Sunday.

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-...n-201007262945/
TshepoM
QUOTE(Car Expert @ Mar 1 2006, 11:55 PM) *

The Formula 1 season starts in 10 days time. I wonder who will win the Championship this year!

Does anyone watch it? If so, who do you think is going to win?

Car Expert

used to watch it before schumacher(whatever the spelling) retired
vectistim
QUOTE(TshepoM @ Jul 29 2010, 07:16 AM) *

used to watch it before schumacher(whatever the spelling) retired


I think you'll find its spelled The Cheat
Bagpuss
Mark Webber....faworrrrrrrr...wub.gif

B****y Schumacher. There is alot of difference between proper, exciting racing and moves that are just darned right disgraceful ... I tried to make allowances and remember some of the great run-ins with Senna/Prost for example but although they got in some terrific scraps and would happily take each other off if necessary, they didn't try to kill each other...

Bah. Anyway, otherwise I really enjoyed the race.

Mark Webber....faworrrrrr...wub.gif

Pit-Bag x
oldnotes
Excellent result for the sport. smile.gif
Arundodonuts
QUOTE(Bagpuss @ Aug 1 2010, 04:18 PM) *

Mark Webber....faworrrrrrrr...wub.gif

B****y Schumacher. There is alot of difference between proper, exciting racing and moves that are just darned right disgraceful ... I tried to make allowances and remember some of the great run-ins with Senna/Prost for example but although they got in some terrific scraps and would happily take each other off if necessary, they didn't try to kill each other...



Schumy was always a dirty ### - and SO WAS SENNA.
Bagpuss
Please don't speak ill of the dead. We are both entitled to our opinions so there is no need to shout at me...sad.gif
Arundodonuts
QUOTE(Bagpuss @ Aug 1 2010, 04:34 PM) *

Please don't speak ill of the dead. We are both entitled to our opinions so there is no need to shout at me...sad.gif

Sorry that was bad-tempered of me. I'll use underlining or italics in future.
Car Expert
Schumacher has been penalised 10 grid places at the next Grand Prix in Belgium.

Quite right to punish him there, that could've caused a big accident...

Car Expert
barry-clari
QUOTE(Car Expert @ Aug 1 2010, 05:29 PM) *

Schumacher has been penalised 10 grid places at the next Grand Prix in Belgium.

Quite right to punish him there, that could've caused a big accident...

Car Expert


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Good win for Webber, nice to see a very close championship biggrin.gif
muzikalbadger
QUOTE(Car Expert @ Aug 1 2010, 05:29 PM) *

Schumacher has been penalised 10 grid places at the next Grand Prix in Belgium.

Quite right to punish him there, that could've caused a big accident...

Car Expert

agree.gif totally uncalled for, and very dangerous!!! Good race today though!! biggrin.gif
clavicembalo
Did folk on this thread appreciate last week's Top Gear feature on Senna?
barry-clari
QUOTE(clavicembalo @ Aug 1 2010, 11:05 PM) *

Did folk on this thread appreciate last week's Top Gear feature on Senna?


It was a really good feature. A fitting tribute.
Car Expert
QUOTE(barry-clari @ Aug 1 2010, 11:06 PM) *
QUOTE(clavicembalo @ Aug 1 2010, 11:05 PM) *
Did folk on this thread appreciate last week's Top Gear feature on Senna?
It was a really good feature. A fitting tribute.
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clavicembalo
I don't really follow Formula 1 these days, but I did watch it quite avidly back then. Whether it's just nostalgia, I don't know, but the competitions did seem more exciting back then, the top-spots changing hands more frequently, the races closer.

Or was it Prost, James Hunt, Nigel Mansel and the emergence of Damon Hill that kept me on the edge of my seat?
muzikalbadger
QUOTE(clavicembalo @ Aug 1 2010, 11:05 PM) *

Did folk on this thread appreciate last week's Top Gear feature on Senna?


Yes... Thought it was very well done, and a very fitting tribute to an amazing driver!
vectistim
QUOTE(muzikalbadger @ Aug 1 2010, 11:15 PM) *

QUOTE(clavicembalo @ Aug 1 2010, 11:05 PM) *

Did folk on this thread appreciate last week's Top Gear feature on Senna?


Yes... Thought it was very well done, and a very fitting tribute to an amazing driver!


The cynic in me said it was a nice long free advert for a DVD Clarkson has coming out.

Its quite interesting to make comparisons between Senna and The Cheat - both have driven recklessly to take other people deliberately out of races. The only difference is The Cheat (despite being disqualified from one year) generally had the benefit of Ferrari International Assistance and team mates (Irvine, Barichello, Massa) who were ordered to compromise their own chances to help him out.
barry-clari
Now, this is quite an exciting race... biggrin.gif
barry-clari
Do watch the re-run of this - it's an excellent race biggrin.gif
Arundodonuts
QUOTE(barry-clari @ Oct 24 2010, 09:48 AM) *

Now, this is quite an exciting race... biggrin.gif

I could have had another hour in bed though. But yes, a good one.
gedall40
Could have been a different result if Hamilton had been able to stick his car to the road like Alonso did, after the latter's pit lane crew gifted Lewis a place which he then promptly gave back!
Arundodonuts
QUOTE(gedall40 @ Oct 25 2010, 01:35 PM) *

Could have been a different result if Hamilton had been able to stick his car to the road like Alonso did, after the latter's pit lane crew gifted Lewis a place which he then promptly gave back!

Or if Jenson had found some grip, or Mark hadn't ditched it or the boy wonder's engine hadn't let go. I must say I was hugely entertained by the enormous show of schadenfruede up and down the pit lane when that happened. biggrin.gif
barry-clari
QUOTE(pushpull @ Oct 25 2010, 01:44 PM) *

QUOTE(gedall40 @ Oct 25 2010, 01:35 PM) *

Could have been a different result if Hamilton had been able to stick his car to the road like Alonso did, after the latter's pit lane crew gifted Lewis a place which he then promptly gave back!

Or if Jenson had found some grip, or Mark hadn't ditched it or the boy wonder's engine hadn't let go. I must say I was hugely entertained by the enormous show of schadenfruede up and down the pit lane when that happened. biggrin.gif


I still have a feeling Mark Webber's going to win the championship, but time will tell...
Arundodonuts
QUOTE(barry-clari @ Oct 25 2010, 01:50 PM) *

QUOTE(pushpull @ Oct 25 2010, 01:44 PM) *

QUOTE(gedall40 @ Oct 25 2010, 01:35 PM) *

Could have been a different result if Hamilton had been able to stick his car to the road like Alonso did, after the latter's pit lane crew gifted Lewis a place which he then promptly gave back!

Or if Jenson had found some grip, or Mark hadn't ditched it or the boy wonder's engine hadn't let go. I must say I was hugely entertained by the enormous show of schadenfruede up and down the pit lane when that happened. biggrin.gif


I still have a feeling Mark Webber's going to win the championship, but time will tell...

I'm sure he is "the people's choice". I reckon he ought to be able to do it but it's going to be tough. Alonso is looking frighteningly as though the force is with him.
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