I need to buy a new alto sax for my son. He's working on Grade 6 (jazz) and is using the same, now rapidly becoming clapped-out sax he's had since he was 9 (ahem).
His teacher is trying to get us to buy a vintage French sax called a 'Couesmon Monopole' for £1000. I took it round to someone (a reputable sax teacher) today and they said it was OK but didn't think it was worth a grand - more like £600-£800. He's never heard of themn, but we did look them up online and found some good reviews of them.
He reckons I should get a good brand new Yamaha, or a Keilworth, a Guardala (hard to find, apparently) or a Yanagisawa. Selmers are out of our price-range.
Does anybody here have any good advice to give me - I'm flummoxed as I know nothing about saxophones. I just did an internet search and found a forum with someone saying they thought the Weril was very good - 'even better than the Couesmon'. He did say you'd kill your grandmother for a Couesmon, so perhaps we should get it after all...
Anyway, I desperately need advice!!!
Thanks
Violinia
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What you're looking at is really a choice between vintage - the Couesmon, and modern the Yamahas, Yanis etc.
The vintage v modern debate is everlasting in the saxophone world. You can find a good overview here. There are also some nice, unbiased reviews at that site. I would tend to think that at Grade 6 level the advantages of a modern horn might swing it but everyone's different and you and your som will have to come to your own decision.
I have next to no experience with vintage horns, and none at all with Couesmon so I won't comment on that. Of the new horns you list I know a lot of people who are happy with both Yamahas and Yanis. Yamahas are often recommended for the simple reason that I've never heard anyone unhappy with their Yamaha purchase.
The vintage v modern debate is everlasting in the saxophone world. You can find a good overview here. There are also some nice, unbiased reviews at that site. I would tend to think that at Grade 6 level the advantages of a modern horn might swing it but everyone's different and you and your som will have to come to your own decision.
I have next to no experience with vintage horns, and none at all with Couesmon so I won't comment on that. Of the new horns you list I know a lot of people who are happy with both Yamahas and Yanis. Yamahas are often recommended for the simple reason that I've never heard anyone unhappy with their Yamaha purchase.
Yes, to add to that, I bought a new saxophone a little while ago for the higher grades. Selmer's were also out of my families price range, So I had a look at the newer Yamaha, Jupiter and Yanagisawa models.
Verdict:
Jupiter. I hear endless bad reports of Jupiter saxophones and their unreliability, and upon playing a few, the sound quality was definitely below standard compared to others.
Yamaha are a very reliable make, and are indeed the make of sax I started out on. However, Yamaha often lack the flair that other saxes can have.
Yanagisawa, proved to be the best make, and I bought the Yanagisawa 902. As with a lot of others you could buy in bronze or brass, and so far, I have found my (bronze) Yani. exceptional. It has a warm tone, and was of a perfect quality for me to expand from being a student into professional playing!! Whats more, Iv found it very reliable. The Yanagisawa I bought was worth £1700, but with the Government 'instrument purchase scheme' (LOOK IT UP!!) It cost only around £1350!!
Vintage models are often excellent and generally have a great tone! I see no reason why you shouldnt get one, however, it should be compared alongside other saxes.
I think to get a clear picture, you should ideally visit a shop, and try several models for your own private verdict. John Myatts in Hitchin were the site of my purchase.
Anyway, good luck! I definitely think a shop visit is worthwhile, to get a rounded picture! And if noone else, the shop themselves should know their stuff I hope that helps!
Verdict:
Jupiter. I hear endless bad reports of Jupiter saxophones and their unreliability, and upon playing a few, the sound quality was definitely below standard compared to others.
Yamaha are a very reliable make, and are indeed the make of sax I started out on. However, Yamaha often lack the flair that other saxes can have.
Yanagisawa, proved to be the best make, and I bought the Yanagisawa 902. As with a lot of others you could buy in bronze or brass, and so far, I have found my (bronze) Yani. exceptional. It has a warm tone, and was of a perfect quality for me to expand from being a student into professional playing!! Whats more, Iv found it very reliable. The Yanagisawa I bought was worth £1700, but with the Government 'instrument purchase scheme' (LOOK IT UP!!) It cost only around £1350!!
Vintage models are often excellent and generally have a great tone! I see no reason why you shouldnt get one, however, it should be compared alongside other saxes.
I think to get a clear picture, you should ideally visit a shop, and try several models for your own private verdict. John Myatts in Hitchin were the site of my purchase.
Anyway, good luck! I definitely think a shop visit is worthwhile, to get a rounded picture! And if noone else, the shop themselves should know their stuff I hope that helps!
A couple of questions (not really important, but...): a) Grade 6 Jazz Sax does not exist in ABRSM syllabus, so presume this is another board? 
your son has had his current sax since age 9, but how old is he now?
What is his current sax? And what do you mean by clapped out? A service and/or repad can work wonders for a faulty/leaky sax.
Anyway, my personal favourite brand is Yanagisawa. I have owned 'Yani' alto and soprano for many years (although my tenor is a Yamaha) and think they represent best value for money. Excellent tone and manufacture, and (very important) extremely comfortable to play. Yanagisawa are a pioneer manufacturer, and I believe they were the first to add a top Fsharp key, and also low A on baritone. They are a specialist manufacturer, and don't make motorcycles!
Keilwerth are also excellent, and their better models feature rolled tone-holes for a better pad seat, and even adjustable palm keys.
I have owned modern Selmers (Series I & Series II) in the past, and I think they are a bit overrated. They are a good investment, though, as they hold their value very well, due to their excellent reputation. They bought the original saxophone patents from Adolphe Sax, so their rep is well established. NB: we are talking Selmer Paris here; don't bother with the cheap American Selmer Bundy.
I am not a lover of vintage instruments, except for investment purposes. Saxophone design, like most other machines, improves with time, and playing a vintage sax is like driving a vintage car, in my opinion. They can be uncomfortable to play, and you could be getting aches and pains in your thumb or your wrist if you play for extended periods.
Take your time and do plenty of 'test-driving'.
Good luck!
your son has had his current sax since age 9, but how old is he now?What is his current sax? And what do you mean by clapped out? A service and/or repad can work wonders for a faulty/leaky sax.
Anyway, my personal favourite brand is Yanagisawa. I have owned 'Yani' alto and soprano for many years (although my tenor is a Yamaha) and think they represent best value for money. Excellent tone and manufacture, and (very important) extremely comfortable to play. Yanagisawa are a pioneer manufacturer, and I believe they were the first to add a top Fsharp key, and also low A on baritone. They are a specialist manufacturer, and don't make motorcycles!
Keilwerth are also excellent, and their better models feature rolled tone-holes for a better pad seat, and even adjustable palm keys.
I have owned modern Selmers (Series I & Series II) in the past, and I think they are a bit overrated. They are a good investment, though, as they hold their value very well, due to their excellent reputation. They bought the original saxophone patents from Adolphe Sax, so their rep is well established. NB: we are talking Selmer Paris here; don't bother with the cheap American Selmer Bundy.
I am not a lover of vintage instruments, except for investment purposes. Saxophone design, like most other machines, improves with time, and playing a vintage sax is like driving a vintage car, in my opinion. They can be uncomfortable to play, and you could be getting aches and pains in your thumb or your wrist if you play for extended periods.
Take your time and do plenty of 'test-driving'.
Good luck!
I have recently purchesed a Yanagisawa alto and I'm delighted with it.
Good luck with your decision.
Hillyb
Good luck with your decision.
Hillyb
Thanks for all the help and advice so far!
I think the decision is, then, whether to get a new or a vintage sax. My son's sax teacher is very much of the view that he should have a vintage sax, partly because he (the teacher) loves vintage saxes, and also because of the way my son has been taught to play, which is in the hard bop, Charlie Parker mode. Vintage saxes are apparently better for that style, which I can appreciate.
Re grades - he did Grade 5 Guildhall syllabus, and is working towards Trinity Guildhall Grade 6.
I just find it very stressful spending so much money on something I know so little about, and want to get it right!
Re his current sax - he's 17 now and so has had it for 8 years. It was already old (not vintage) when he got it and has had so many repairs it would need a fortune spent on it to knock it back into its original shape. It has also had a few knocks and dents over the years....
So please keep the advice coming - thanks!
Violinia
PS What about a Yanagisawa sax with a vintage mouthpiece????
I think the decision is, then, whether to get a new or a vintage sax. My son's sax teacher is very much of the view that he should have a vintage sax, partly because he (the teacher) loves vintage saxes, and also because of the way my son has been taught to play, which is in the hard bop, Charlie Parker mode. Vintage saxes are apparently better for that style, which I can appreciate.
Re grades - he did Grade 5 Guildhall syllabus, and is working towards Trinity Guildhall Grade 6.
I just find it very stressful spending so much money on something I know so little about, and want to get it right!
Re his current sax - he's 17 now and so has had it for 8 years. It was already old (not vintage) when he got it and has had so many repairs it would need a fortune spent on it to knock it back into its original shape. It has also had a few knocks and dents over the years....
So please keep the advice coming - thanks!
Violinia
PS What about a Yanagisawa sax with a vintage mouthpiece????
Charlie Parker, of course, was famous for playing the Grafton plastic alto but I don't think anyone would recommend that your son try to play one of those today. Rumour has it that he played the Grafton because it was the only one he couldn't pawn/sell for drugs money when necessary.
From the sax players I know, both jazz and classical, the vintage/modern thing doesn't seem to be genre specific, you're either on one side of the fence or the other. I'm currently on the modern side but I won't swear not to jump over at some point.
I'm not sure if mixing and matching would work or not, but a great mouthpiece is certainly a good way to improve the sound. I'm not sure, but I would suspect that you might find the vintage sax more "fussy" in its demands in terms of mouthpieces.
If you and your son are really not sure of the way to go then I think you should take your time, try out the Couesenon, and try out some of the new saxes. At 17 and grade 6 level he's probably in a position to start forming his own opinion as to which is the sax for him. Don't rule out second-hand modern horns either (says the person with a 2nd hand Selmer series 3 alto lined up to try out over the weekend...)
From the sax players I know, both jazz and classical, the vintage/modern thing doesn't seem to be genre specific, you're either on one side of the fence or the other. I'm currently on the modern side but I won't swear not to jump over at some point.
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PS What about a Yanagisawa sax with a vintage mouthpiece????
I'm not sure if mixing and matching would work or not, but a great mouthpiece is certainly a good way to improve the sound. I'm not sure, but I would suspect that you might find the vintage sax more "fussy" in its demands in terms of mouthpieces.
If you and your son are really not sure of the way to go then I think you should take your time, try out the Couesenon, and try out some of the new saxes. At 17 and grade 6 level he's probably in a position to start forming his own opinion as to which is the sax for him. Don't rule out second-hand modern horns either (says the person with a 2nd hand Selmer series 3 alto lined up to try out over the weekend...)
I like my Yamaha alto 62 model i've had it for years and it was an upgrade from a student Elkhart, i've had plenty of opportunities to play on quite a few saxes, vintage saxes can sound good but the older fingering systems don't hold up against the nice modern ergonomic feel of my yamaha, interesting of the older saxes only the selmer MkVI and Super Balanced action felt nice to play and whow did they sound good. I'd go with a 2nd hand Yamaha save your self a fortune also techs tell me they are easy to repair/calibrate. I see a lot of Jupiters where i teach and they become rerally hard work after grade 5 to play, the left hand spatula systems are clunky and unreliable. Just my 10 cents worth.
Charlie Parker, I believe, used the best saxophones available at the time. If he was around today I reckon he would do the same, rather than use an old collector's item. Then again, he would probably sound just as great on ANY saxophone. He walked into a jam session once without an instrument, borrowed one from another musician, and blew the house down.
...And yes, you can save money buying a secondhand horn, but you need to know how to check that it is OK. I purchased my Yanagisawa alto secondhand in excellent working order about 8 years ago, for about half the new price.
...And mouthpieces?...that is entirely another subject!! There was a discussion in this forum on this subject recently.
...And then there is the subject of reeds....
...And yes, you can save money buying a secondhand horn, but you need to know how to check that it is OK. I purchased my Yanagisawa alto secondhand in excellent working order about 8 years ago, for about half the new price.
...And mouthpieces?...that is entirely another subject!! There was a discussion in this forum on this subject recently.
...And then there is the subject of reeds....
QUOTE(saxmangazz @ Jun 4 2006, 01:31 AM) 
Charlie Parker, I believe, used the best saxophones available at the time. If he was around today I reckon he would do the same, rather than use an old collector's item.
I'm sure he did however a lot of the time his saxes were in pawn shops to support his habit so he had to use whatever he could beg,borrow, steal.
Try eBay. Usual caveats, check out sellers first, serial numbers in case of theft, use payPal, etc. BUT, I bought an 80 Super Action Series II Selmer, 10 years old, I think circa £2,000-2,200 new. It was/is in excellent condition, used but looked after. Cost me £800. Plus another £70 for a selmer soloist mouthpiece. I've seen similar priced saxes on eBay once or twice since then (18 months). I'm thrilled with my purchase. I still play dud notes, but now there's no blaming the sax. I think you need to be accomplished to play a vintage sax, given that you need to be able to adjust on the fly for their inevitable idiosyncracies. With respect, I don't think that includes level 6.
I'm a devotee and collector of vintage saxophones, especially American makers. However I think a young student would actually be better served with a newer horn, brand new or slightly used, than a vintage one. The older horns have incomparable attributes that can be fully appreciated by the seasoned horn player, but can hinder some of the less initiated.
Couesnon (the proper spelling BTW) was a French maker of hand built horns, some quite good, with a classically French, centered tone (think Selmer, Dolnet, SML, Buffet etc. but with less sophisticated key work), however one thousand pounds is more that a bit steep for a less than mint Monop. model (one can get a nice example of these here in the States for a lot less, and I'm sure they are more abundant in Europe than here.). You realize that you will likely have to pour at least 3 hundred or more pounds into the horn to have it re-padded and adjusted as well.
There are much better choices for your particular situation, as noted at length in the above posts. Good luck.
Couesnon (the proper spelling BTW) was a French maker of hand built horns, some quite good, with a classically French, centered tone (think Selmer, Dolnet, SML, Buffet etc. but with less sophisticated key work), however one thousand pounds is more that a bit steep for a less than mint Monop. model (one can get a nice example of these here in the States for a lot less, and I'm sure they are more abundant in Europe than here.). You realize that you will likely have to pour at least 3 hundred or more pounds into the horn to have it re-padded and adjusted as well.
There are much better choices for your particular situation, as noted at length in the above posts. Good luck.
I'm somewhat impressed by this relatively new company here in the UK that goes by the name 'Hanson' have a look here-
http://www.saxophonesdirect.com/
I've tried one of their baritone saxes and thought whow this is a great horn, their prices are realistic too if you are wanting quality as opposed to junk.
http://www.saxophonesdirect.com/
I've tried one of their baritone saxes and thought whow this is a great horn, their prices are realistic too if you are wanting quality as opposed to junk.
Hi
I started learning sax about 5 years ago ( avery mature learner!!) and knowing next to nothing bought a beautiful (to me anyway)vintage Selmer Cigar Cutter (1934) which has a fantastic mellow sound. One of the disadvantages for me, as I have small hands, is that I have difficulty reaching the palm keys and therefore struggle with some pieces. My teacher took me along to Woodwind Exchange in Bradford (located in the basement of Woods/Williams in Manningham Lane) and I bought (well my hubby did
) a gorgeous Yanigasawa bronze 992 which i find much easier to play. The tone is also very mellow.
Anyway enough rambling.......
As others have said the best thing to do is go along to a great sax dealer and try a few horns. He will know which is for him. Make sure you stick to trying in your budget though and go for the best in that price range.
He will also want to try some different mouthpieces with each horn.
Hope you are succesful in your search.
Kindest ragards
Sue
I started learning sax about 5 years ago ( avery mature learner!!) and knowing next to nothing bought a beautiful (to me anyway)vintage Selmer Cigar Cutter (1934) which has a fantastic mellow sound. One of the disadvantages for me, as I have small hands, is that I have difficulty reaching the palm keys and therefore struggle with some pieces. My teacher took me along to Woodwind Exchange in Bradford (located in the basement of Woods/Williams in Manningham Lane) and I bought (well my hubby did
) a gorgeous Yanigasawa bronze 992 which i find much easier to play. The tone is also very mellow.Anyway enough rambling.......
As others have said the best thing to do is go along to a great sax dealer and try a few horns. He will know which is for him. Make sure you stick to trying in your budget though and go for the best in that price range.
He will also want to try some different mouthpieces with each horn.
Hope you are succesful in your search.
Kindest ragards
Sue
QUOTE(TenorClef @ Jun 18 2006, 12:11 PM)
I'm somewhat impressed by this relatively new company here in the UK that goes by the name 'Hanson' have a look here-
http://www.saxophonesdirect.com/
I've tried one of their baritone saxes and thought whow this is a great horn, their prices are realistic too if you are wanting quality as opposed to junk.
I'm fairly sure Liz (elidatrading) has mentioned them as good saxes? I think the only reason she doesn't sell them is because Hanson already offer such competitive prices that it's pointless trying to compete!
I was going to start playing my vintage Buescher again 2 years ago after a ve-e-e-e-e-ery long layoff. I checked around for an instructor and was given the name of Leo Potts. He suggested that it wouldn't be much use until I got the horn gone over & reconditioned. He recommended that I look at getting a Yanigasawa. it wasn't in my budget, so I got my vintage horn redone.
When I was finally ready to take lessons Leo was retired and moved to a different state. He is a professor emeritus of music at a university her in the States.
Now hes has a signature model with Hollywood winds and the manufacturer was recommended by a very prominent music store here. You might want to look them up.
By the way, I am very satisfied with my Buescher.
Hope this helps,
David
When I was finally ready to take lessons Leo was retired and moved to a different state. He is a professor emeritus of music at a university her in the States.
Now hes has a signature model with Hollywood winds and the manufacturer was recommended by a very prominent music store here. You might want to look them up.
By the way, I am very satisfied with my Buescher.
Hope this helps,
David
I think it has to be made pretty clear whilst some vintage saxes are great sounding horns they are not for everyone and many new players would likely find the older sax fingering systems difficult at best to navigate. I've tried a Conn12M and thought it was horrible, in fairness though it was a horn that was in dire need of many repairs and i know quite a few sax players who swear by them.
Hello
I've just seen all the correspondence about getting your son a newer sax for his Jazz Grade 6 - maybe it's all resolved now?
If not, my advice would be - as you thought - decide if you are going vintage or modern. Then, if you choose modern, go to a good dealer who should let you play whatever you want/whatever they stock. That might depend on where you are!
I have had a Yanagisawa alto which was really nice, and now a Selmer alto which is beautiful - and I have a Yamaha 62 tenor - another lovely instrument!
And remember what other people said too -- mouthpiece and reed make a heck of a difference to the sound.
And I would ask does your son KNOW what sound HE wants to get? If he does then there will be loads of advice on the best setup to go for. Most top sax players I have met are happy to pass on their knowledge just to get you playing more!!
Best of luck with it all
Patrick
I've just seen all the correspondence about getting your son a newer sax for his Jazz Grade 6 - maybe it's all resolved now?
If not, my advice would be - as you thought - decide if you are going vintage or modern. Then, if you choose modern, go to a good dealer who should let you play whatever you want/whatever they stock. That might depend on where you are!
I have had a Yanagisawa alto which was really nice, and now a Selmer alto which is beautiful - and I have a Yamaha 62 tenor - another lovely instrument!
And remember what other people said too -- mouthpiece and reed make a heck of a difference to the sound.
And I would ask does your son KNOW what sound HE wants to get? If he does then there will be loads of advice on the best setup to go for. Most top sax players I have met are happy to pass on their knowledge just to get you playing more!!
Best of luck with it all
Patrick
QUOTE(saxmaniac @ Jun 18 2006, 05:18 PM)
My teacher took me along to Woodwind Exchange in Bradford (located in the basement of Woods/Williams in Manningham Lane)
I was there on saturday! my parents (very kindly) bought me a new sax. I tried loads of different ones including a yamaha custom series, a selmer seris II and 2 selmer series IIIs, a yanigisawa (forget which model) and a Keilwerth SX90r.
I decided on the Keilwerth (ot is silver and brass hehe!) it plays like a dream, I LOVE IT!!!
sorry about that
QUOTE(Saxophonist @ Jun 26 2006, 01:51 PM)
QUOTE(saxmaniac @ Jun 18 2006, 05:18 PM)
My teacher took me along to Woodwind Exchange in Bradford (located in the basement of Woods/Williams in Manningham Lane)
I was there on saturday! my parents (very kindly) bought me a new sax. I tried loads of different ones including a yamaha custom series, a selmer seris II and 2 selmer series IIIs, a yanigisawa (forget which model) and a Keilwerth SX90r.
I decided on the Keilwerth (ot is silver and brass hehe!) it plays like a dream, I LOVE IT!!!
sorry about that
Great place isn't it - Stuart Linda and the other guy (can't remember his name) are all so helpful.
Hope you havet lots of fun with your Keilworth - I love silver and brass
that sounds terrific!! There's lots of good saxes/expensive saxes etc. If it's one that you like, that's great - play it lots and make it YOURS!!
Have fun with it, and "Happy Honking"
QUOTE(Violinia @ May 30 2006, 02:39 PM)
I need to buy a new alto sax for my son. He's working on Grade 6 (jazz) and is using the same, now rapidly becoming clapped-out sax he's had since he was 9 (ahem).
His teacher is trying to get us to buy a vintage French sax called a 'Couesmon Monopole' for £1000. I took it round to someone (a reputable sax teacher) today and they said it was OK but didn't think it was worth a grand - more like £600-£800. He's never heard of themn, but we did look them up online and found some good reviews of them.
He reckons I should get a good brand new Yamaha, or a Keilworth, a Guardala (hard to find, apparently) or a Yanagisawa. Selmers are out of our price-range.
Does anybody here have any good advice to give me - I'm flummoxed as I know nothing about saxophones. I just did an internet search and found a forum with someone saying they thought the Weril was very good - 'even better than the Couesmon'. He did say you'd kill your grandmother for a Couesmon, so perhaps we should get it after all...
Anyway, I desperately need advice!!!
Thanks
Violinia
QUOTE(BERG @ Jul 1 2006, 04:03 PM)
QUOTE(Violinia @ May 30 2006, 02:39 PM)
I need to buy a new alto sax for my son. He's working on Grade 6 (jazz) and is using the same, now rapidly becoming clapped-out sax he's had since he was 9 (ahem).
His teacher is trying to get us to buy a vintage French sax called a 'Couesmon Monopole' for £1000. I took it round to someone (a reputable sax teacher) today and they said it was OK but didn't think it was worth a grand - more like £600-£800. He's never heard of themn, but we did look them up online and found some good reviews of them.
He reckons I should get a good brand new Yamaha, or a Keilworth, a Guardala (hard to find, apparently) or a Yanagisawa. Selmers are out of our price-range.
Does anybody here have any good advice to give me - I'm flummoxed as I know nothing about saxophones. I just did an internet search and found a forum with someone saying they thought the Weril was very good - 'even better than the Couesmon'. He did say you'd kill your grandmother for a Couesmon, so perhaps we should get it after all...
Anyway, I desperately need advice!!!
Thanks
Violinia
Violinia,
Lots of good advice, but your son has to make the final choice by blowing the new instrument. If this old one is as bad as you say then most new ones will play better, making comparisons between them, that much harder.
Unfortunately a brand new instrument does not guarantee it will be in perfect playing order. There are over three hundred parts in a sax. New or s/h, get it checked over by an experienced player.
I would not be disappointed at not being able to afford a Selmer. I have just sold my MKVI for a kings ransom, after owning it for 36 years. What did I replace it with ? a fine Yamaha 32 intermediate model which has a superior action, intonation and is solidly built. Tonally, only required a slight change of mouthpiece to restore the tone I had on the Selmer. Vintage is not necessarily better in my experience.
Vintage mouthpieces suit older saxes and can give tuning problems on modern instruments. You can buy modern mouthpieces which are designed to give vintage sounds. Some modern saxes are brighter sounding and a careful choice of mouthpiece can address this if desired.
Hope this helps.
Lots of good advice, but your son has to make the final choice by blowing the new instrument. If this old one is as bad as you say then most new ones will play better, making comparisons between them, that much harder.
Unfortunately a brand new instrument does not guarantee it will be in perfect playing order. There are over three hundred parts in a sax. New or s/h, get it checked over by an experienced player.
I would not be disappointed at not being able to afford a Selmer. I have just sold my MKVI for a kings ransom, after owning it for 36 years. What did I replace it with ? a fine Yamaha 32 intermediate model which has a superior action, intonation and is solidly built. Tonally, only required a slight change of mouthpiece to restore the tone I had on the Selmer. Vintage is not necessarily better in my experience.
Vintage mouthpieces suit older saxes and can give tuning problems on modern instruments. You can buy modern mouthpieces which are designed to give vintage sounds. Some modern saxes are brighter sounding and a careful choice of mouthpiece can address this if desired.
Hope this helps.
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