Help me!!
My Grade 8 is this evening. Andi can't do the final part of the aural tests. Where you have to talk about a piece of music? What is a good list of things to say? What needs to be said?
Does anyone have any acronyms/pneumonics to remember things to say?
Also, the modulations. Any help on identifying those would really be apreciated! i have 4hrs 15 mins to sort this!
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When I had brain freeze on that part the examiner kindly offered to ask me some questions instead.
I got comments about being musically aware so it wasn't too bad.
I got comments about being musically aware so it wasn't too bad.
QUOTE(joewaggott @ Jul 3 2006, 12:26 PM) 
Help me!!
My Grade 8 is this evening. Andi can't do the final part of the aural tests. Where you have to talk about a piece of music? What is a good list of things to say? What needs to be said?
Does anyone have any acronyms/pneumonics to remember things to say?
Also, the modulations. Any help on identifying those would really be apreciated! i have 4hrs 15 mins to sort this!
My Grade 8 is this evening. Andi can't do the final part of the aural tests. Where you have to talk about a piece of music? What is a good list of things to say? What needs to be said?
Does anyone have any acronyms/pneumonics to remember things to say?
Also, the modulations. Any help on identifying those would really be apreciated! i have 4hrs 15 mins to sort this!
When I took grade 8 I just played my set exam pieces (quite well I have to admit), played the sight reading bits fairly well, and fudged my way through the rest. Some time ago now, but I passed. I didn't get a merit or distinction but that's no great hardship.
First thing, Joe, is DON'T PANIC.
It's too late to worry about learning stuff now, you need to just relax.
Even if you talk total rubbish for the whole aural, you'll still get some marks. So if you only talk total rubbish for the last bit (which is what I did
) you'll get more marks for the bits you managed to do properly too.
Now, these progressions. The following isn't textbook perfect, but it'll give you the basis of a half-decent guess at the answers, so you'll get some credit.
Chances are that at the end, it'll sound like the end of a piece. So a perfect cadence at the end is the best bet, which then tells you that the last two chords in the progression are V-I. So that's a couple of marks bagged already. There's an outside chance it'll be a plagal cadence instead (the "Amen" cadence from hymn tunes) so the last two chords of that are IV-I. Either way that's two of your chords at least partially sussed out.
The cadence in the middle may sound like a perfect cadence in the wrong key. So that would make it an imperfect cadence, ending on V. More often than not the chord before it will be I.
Alternatively the cadence in the middle might sound like it was about to finish then changed its mind - an interrupted cadence. So that's penultimate chord V and final chord likely to be VI or II (but again, chances are it will be VI).
Make a wild stab at whether it's root, first inversion or second inversion. And be open to the idea that the V might be a seventh chord (if it is, the examiner will probably hint that at you!)
That gives you something you can use to guess the answer. And guess something rather than guess nothing so you get some credit for trying.
Anyway, good luck this afternoon.
Cheers
Katyjay
Cheers
Katyjay
It's too late to worry about learning stuff now, you need to just relax.
Even if you talk total rubbish for the whole aural, you'll still get some marks. So if you only talk total rubbish for the last bit (which is what I did
) you'll get more marks for the bits you managed to do properly too.Now, these progressions. The following isn't textbook perfect, but it'll give you the basis of a half-decent guess at the answers, so you'll get some credit.
Chances are that at the end, it'll sound like the end of a piece. So a perfect cadence at the end is the best bet, which then tells you that the last two chords in the progression are V-I. So that's a couple of marks bagged already. There's an outside chance it'll be a plagal cadence instead (the "Amen" cadence from hymn tunes) so the last two chords of that are IV-I. Either way that's two of your chords at least partially sussed out.
The cadence in the middle may sound like a perfect cadence in the wrong key. So that would make it an imperfect cadence, ending on V. More often than not the chord before it will be I.
Alternatively the cadence in the middle might sound like it was about to finish then changed its mind - an interrupted cadence. So that's penultimate chord V and final chord likely to be VI or II (but again, chances are it will be VI).
Make a wild stab at whether it's root, first inversion or second inversion. And be open to the idea that the V might be a seventh chord (if it is, the examiner will probably hint that at you!)
That gives you something you can use to guess the answer. And guess something rather than guess nothing so you get some credit for trying.
Anyway, good luck this afternoon.
Cheers
Katyjay
Cheers
Katyjay
QUOTE(katyjay @ Jul 3 2006, 12:47 PM)
First thing, Joe, is DON'T PANIC.
It's too late to worry about learning stuff now, you need to just relax.
Even if you talk total rubbish for the whole aural, you'll still get some marks. So if you only talk total rubbish for the last bit (which is what I did ) you'll get more marks for the bits you managed to do properly too.
Now, these progressions. The following isn't textbook perfect, but it'll give you the basis of a half-decent guess at the answers, so you'll get some credit.
Chances are that at the end, it'll sound like the end of a piece. So a perfect cadence at the end is the best bet, which then tells you that the last two chords in the progression are V-I. So that's a couple of marks bagged already. There's an outside chance it'll be a plagal cadence instead (the "Amen" cadence from hymn tunes) so the last two chords of that are IV-I. Either way that's two of your chords at least partially sussed out.
The cadence in the middle may sound like a perfect cadence in the wrong key. So that would make it an imperfect cadence, ending on V. More often than not the chord before it will be I.
That gives you something you can use to guess the answer. And guess something rather than guess nothing so you get some credit for trying.
Anyway, good luck this afternoon.
Cheers
Katyjay
Cheers
Katyjay
It's too late to worry about learning stuff now, you need to just relax.
Even if you talk total rubbish for the whole aural, you'll still get some marks. So if you only talk total rubbish for the last bit (which is what I did
) you'll get more marks for the bits you managed to do properly too.Now, these progressions. The following isn't textbook perfect, but it'll give you the basis of a half-decent guess at the answers, so you'll get some credit.
Chances are that at the end, it'll sound like the end of a piece. So a perfect cadence at the end is the best bet, which then tells you that the last two chords in the progression are V-I. So that's a couple of marks bagged already. There's an outside chance it'll be a plagal cadence instead (the "Amen" cadence from hymn tunes) so the last two chords of that are IV-I. Either way that's two of your chords at least partially sussed out.
The cadence in the middle may sound like a perfect cadence in the wrong key. So that would make it an imperfect cadence, ending on V. More often than not the chord before it will be I.
QUOTE
Alternatively the cadence in the middle might sound like it was about to finish then changed its mind - an interrupted cadence. So that's penultimate chord V and final chord likely to be VI or II (but again, chances are it will be VI).
Make a wild stab at whether it's root, first inversion or second inversion. And be open to the idea that the V might be a seventh chord (if it is, the examiner will probably hint that at you!)
Make a wild stab at whether it's root, first inversion or second inversion. And be open to the idea that the V might be a seventh chord (if it is, the examiner will probably hint that at you!)
That gives you something you can use to guess the answer. And guess something rather than guess nothing so you get some credit for trying.
Anyway, good luck this afternoon.
Cheers
Katyjay
Cheers
Katyjay
? are you sure of the theory here?? c.f Eric Taylor AB Guide!!
You'll be fine. Like Roger, I played my pieces very well, did pretty well on sight reading and completely fudged the aural. To add to it, I also failed my scales and yet I still managed to get a pass, a couple of marks short of a merit. Just keep calm and you'll do alright.
QUOTE(Roger @ Jul 3 2006, 01:27 PM)
QUOTE(katyjay @ Jul 3 2006, 12:47 PM)
First thing, Joe, is DON'T PANIC.
It's too late to worry about learning stuff now, you need to just relax.
Even if you talk total rubbish for the whole aural, you'll still get some marks. So if you only talk total rubbish for the last bit (which is what I did ) you'll get more marks for the bits you managed to do properly too.
Now, these progressions. The following isn't textbook perfect, but it'll give you the basis of a half-decent guess at the answers, so you'll get some credit.
Chances are that at the end, it'll sound like the end of a piece. So a perfect cadence at the end is the best bet, which then tells you that the last two chords in the progression are V-I. So that's a couple of marks bagged already. There's an outside chance it'll be a plagal cadence instead (the "Amen" cadence from hymn tunes) so the last two chords of that are IV-I. Either way that's two of your chords at least partially sussed out.
The cadence in the middle may sound like a perfect cadence in the wrong key. So that would make it an imperfect cadence, ending on V. More often than not the chord before it will be I.
That gives you something you can use to guess the answer. And guess something rather than guess nothing so you get some credit for trying.
Anyway, good luck this afternoon.
Cheers
Katyjay
Cheers
Katyjay
It's too late to worry about learning stuff now, you need to just relax.
Even if you talk total rubbish for the whole aural, you'll still get some marks. So if you only talk total rubbish for the last bit (which is what I did
) you'll get more marks for the bits you managed to do properly too.Now, these progressions. The following isn't textbook perfect, but it'll give you the basis of a half-decent guess at the answers, so you'll get some credit.
Chances are that at the end, it'll sound like the end of a piece. So a perfect cadence at the end is the best bet, which then tells you that the last two chords in the progression are V-I. So that's a couple of marks bagged already. There's an outside chance it'll be a plagal cadence instead (the "Amen" cadence from hymn tunes) so the last two chords of that are IV-I. Either way that's two of your chords at least partially sussed out.
The cadence in the middle may sound like a perfect cadence in the wrong key. So that would make it an imperfect cadence, ending on V. More often than not the chord before it will be I.
QUOTE
Alternatively the cadence in the middle might sound like it was about to finish then changed its mind - an interrupted cadence. So that's penultimate chord V and final chord likely to be VI or II (but again, chances are it will be VI).
Make a wild stab at whether it's root, first inversion or second inversion. And be open to the idea that the V might be a seventh chord (if it is, the examiner will probably hint that at you!)
Make a wild stab at whether it's root, first inversion or second inversion. And be open to the idea that the V might be a seventh chord (if it is, the examiner will probably hint that at you!)
That gives you something you can use to guess the answer. And guess something rather than guess nothing so you get some credit for trying.
Anyway, good luck this afternoon.
Cheers
Katyjay
Cheers
Katyjay
? are you sure of the theory here?? c.f Eric Taylor AB Guide!!
Roger, I know there are other cadence patterns and progressions. As I said at the beginning, Joe doesn't have time to do proper study and revision, so these are just the most likely things to listen for to make a logical guess.
And yes, I'll admit I haven't looked at Eric Taylor since my theory exam a couple of weeks ago, but what I've suggested is more by way of being a bluffer's guide with four hours left than an absolute way of approaching aural (for which I train people over a much longer period)
For talking about a piece of music make shure you mention:
Era - why typical examples
Possible composers - why is it in thier style?
Texture right/left hand/ mono/homo/poly phonic
Tempo
DYNAMICS
and yes modulations, a modulation to the dominant/5th will lift the piece and you will hear the 5th chord of the new key as it modulates. a modulation to the subdonminant will have a descending fell to it, and you will hear the 4th chord of the new key as it modulates. Minor keys should be more obvious, if it modulates to the relative minor then it will add notes asscociated with the new key, for example a C to Am modulation will probably involve the adding of a G# as this is part of the chord of E which is the dominant of Am. A modulation to the Minor supertonic will feel as though it is shifting chromatically, for example a C to Dm modulation would have C# in it some where as the C wants to rise chromatically to the D above, so C#is often used, also it the the 3rd of the Dominant in the new key.
Hope you can decipher some of this and that is it usefull.
the best of luck
jonscott14
Era - why typical examples
Possible composers - why is it in thier style?
Texture right/left hand/ mono/homo/poly phonic
Tempo
DYNAMICS
and yes modulations, a modulation to the dominant/5th will lift the piece and you will hear the 5th chord of the new key as it modulates. a modulation to the subdonminant will have a descending fell to it, and you will hear the 4th chord of the new key as it modulates. Minor keys should be more obvious, if it modulates to the relative minor then it will add notes asscociated with the new key, for example a C to Am modulation will probably involve the adding of a G# as this is part of the chord of E which is the dominant of Am. A modulation to the Minor supertonic will feel as though it is shifting chromatically, for example a C to Dm modulation would have C# in it some where as the C wants to rise chromatically to the D above, so C#is often used, also it the the 3rd of the Dominant in the new key.
Hope you can decipher some of this and that is it usefull.
the best of luck
jonscott14
QUOTE(katyjay @ Jul 3 2006, 01:38 PM)
QUOTE(Roger @ Jul 3 2006, 01:27 PM)
QUOTE(katyjay @ Jul 3 2006, 12:47 PM)
First thing, Joe, is DON'T PANIC.
It's too late to worry about learning stuff now, you need to just relax.
Even if you talk total rubbish for the whole aural, you'll still get some marks. So if you only talk total rubbish for the last bit (which is what I did ) you'll get more marks for the bits you managed to do properly too.
Now, these progressions. The following isn't textbook perfect, but it'll give you the basis of a half-decent guess at the answers, so you'll get some credit.
Chances are that at the end, it'll sound like the end of a piece. So a perfect cadence at the end is the best bet, which then tells you that the last two chords in the progression are V-I. So that's a couple of marks bagged already. There's an outside chance it'll be a plagal cadence instead (the "Amen" cadence from hymn tunes) so the last two chords of that are IV-I. Either way that's two of your chords at least partially sussed out.
The cadence in the middle may sound like a perfect cadence in the wrong key. So that would make it an imperfect cadence, ending on V. More often than not the chord before it will be I.
That gives you something you can use to guess the answer. And guess something rather than guess nothing so you get some credit for trying.
Anyway, good luck this afternoon.
Cheers
Katyjay
Cheers
Katyjay
It's too late to worry about learning stuff now, you need to just relax.
Even if you talk total rubbish for the whole aural, you'll still get some marks. So if you only talk total rubbish for the last bit (which is what I did
) you'll get more marks for the bits you managed to do properly too.Now, these progressions. The following isn't textbook perfect, but it'll give you the basis of a half-decent guess at the answers, so you'll get some credit.
Chances are that at the end, it'll sound like the end of a piece. So a perfect cadence at the end is the best bet, which then tells you that the last two chords in the progression are V-I. So that's a couple of marks bagged already. There's an outside chance it'll be a plagal cadence instead (the "Amen" cadence from hymn tunes) so the last two chords of that are IV-I. Either way that's two of your chords at least partially sussed out.
The cadence in the middle may sound like a perfect cadence in the wrong key. So that would make it an imperfect cadence, ending on V. More often than not the chord before it will be I.
QUOTE
Alternatively the cadence in the middle might sound like it was about to finish then changed its mind - an interrupted cadence. So that's penultimate chord V and final chord likely to be VI or II (but again, chances are it will be VI).
Make a wild stab at whether it's root, first inversion or second inversion. And be open to the idea that the V might be a seventh chord (if it is, the examiner will probably hint that at you!)
Make a wild stab at whether it's root, first inversion or second inversion. And be open to the idea that the V might be a seventh chord (if it is, the examiner will probably hint that at you!)
That gives you something you can use to guess the answer. And guess something rather than guess nothing so you get some credit for trying.
Anyway, good luck this afternoon.
Cheers
Katyjay
Cheers
Katyjay
? are you sure of the theory here?? c.f Eric Taylor AB Guide!!
Roger, I know there are other cadence patterns and progressions. As I said at the beginning, Joe doesn't have time to do proper study and revision, so these are just the most likely things to listen for to make a logical guess.
And yes, I'll admit I haven't looked at Eric Taylor since my theory exam a couple of weeks ago, but what I've suggested is more by way of being a bluffer's guide with four hours left than an absolute way of approaching aural (for which I train people over a much longer period)
I had to do the same with a trinity candidate yesterday. A-men = plagal. If the piece feels like it should go on- imperfect. IF you can here a clear ti-doh or soh-doh = perfect. If the cadence gives you a jolt = interrupted. Yes I know that's not very Eric Taylor either but five minutes before the exam what else was I meant to do, give a full theory lesson.
Now Joe STOP REVISING.
Do anything but music
Oh and good luck
JoD
Now Joe, are you going to tell us how you really got on ??
I wasnt going to mention this yeaterday, but all through my piano exams I got full marks for Aural or only dropped one.
When it came to Grade 8 Organ, I only got 12/18, and it cost me a Distinction. 'He made some slips in cadences and modulations'
I wasnt going to mention this yeaterday, but all through my piano exams I got full marks for Aural or only dropped one.
When it came to Grade 8 Organ, I only got 12/18, and it cost me a Distinction. 'He made some slips in cadences and modulations'
QUOTE(fsharpminor @ Jul 4 2006, 08:40 AM)
Now Joe, are you going to tell us how you really got on ??
I wasnt going to mention this yeaterday, but all through my piano exams I got full marks for Aural or only dropped one.
When it came to Grade 8 Organ, I only got 12/18, and it cost me a Distinction. 'He made some slips in cadences and modulations'
It cost you that many marks? Blimey, in my grade 7 I got 3/4 of the things asked wrong and ended up with 11 marks!
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