QUOTE(kerioboe @ Dec 22 2006, 08:57 AM)

QUOTE(KixMusic @ Nov 2 2006, 12:03 PM)

It varies so much - Yamaha for my cornet, trumpet and soprano, Bach for my flugelhorn, Conn for my daughter's trombone, Sterling for her baritone, round stamp sovereign for my tenor horn.
My daughter has got a Yamaha trombone at the moment which the music service lends us. Next year she will probably have to have her own. What is the difference between a Conn and a Yamaha?
Hi there
Choosing an instrument is very personal really but when it comes to trombones Conn do seem to be the market leader, particularly if you are looking for a "general purpose" type of instrument. In the groups my daughter plays in most, if not all of the trombonists play Conn 88H's. The Conn 88H is a Bb/F trombone so has got a "plug" - a trigger. The 88H is a pro level trombone and is around about £1350.
In my opinion the Conn has a nicer tone than the Yamaha equivalent and seems to blend more - be it in a wind band/concert band, brass band or orchestra. Not sure about Jazz as my daughter hasn't really branched out into Jazz just yet.
The Conn 88H is also well balanced and a good blow - my daughter tried the Yamaha Xeno and hated it because it felt unbalanced and restrictive when she blew it. As I say, it's all down to personal taste though and I know that some people will hate the Conn's and love the yamaha's.
If you are not looking for a Bb/F but for a straight Bb then other than the Conn 8H, which is rather pricey too, then Conn don't have huge amounts of variety to chose from. Yamaha are very good at the student to mid range. They have a good number of models available for around £400 - £800 and they generally blow well.
We took the decision to move straight to a Conn 88H from a Besson Sovereign as my daughter had just be accepted into the National children's Brass Band of Great Britain and was likely to need a trigger as she was playing 2nd trombone - her arms simply weren't long enough to reach 6 or 7 position in tune! It was a big step for her and sometimes towards the end of a 2 hour practice I can see her getting a bit fidgety because of the weight of the instrument but to be honest i am really glad we did it when we did - she loves her Conn 88H trombone and when she takes her cheaper Besson 600 into school for orchestra she grumbles at having to play her "baby trombone" .
Hope this helps.
QUOTE(kenm @ Dec 22 2006, 12:11 PM)

QUOTE(kerioboe @ Dec 22 2006, 08:57 AM)

[...]What is the difference between a Conn and a Yamaha?
1) The Pacific Ocean.
2) Yamaha copies (and sometimes improves) good designs from other makers, and has high standards of production and inspection, so their instruments offer reliably good value. Conn had a high reputation for its earliest horns, which were much favoured by players in the top orchestras of the US, but these instruments are now rather old and are likely to have worn valves unless these have been refurbished or replaced. They moved their production facilities twice during the last 50 years, and production quality has varied markedly. Each of their later factories produced some good instruments, but you need to try any Conn horn to assess its quality. In particular, the mechanical design of the thumb valve on one of their horns is so notoriously troublesome that one of the top US repairers markets a kit (at $150) to replace it. I never heard of any of their other instruments being chosen by a professional player.
Two other companies to add: Alexander and Paxman. Both of these are highly regarded in the UK and the US. There are several individual makers of high quality horns in the US and in Germany, but these can cost twice as much as a professional-quality, factory-made horn.
As I understand it KerriOboe was enquiring about the differences between a yamaha and Conn trombone?