Anyone know the following information is correct or not ??

DipABRSM - black stuff gown with open pointed sleeves + red hood line with blue silk + mortarboard
LRSM - black stuff gown with open pointed sleeves + red hood line with gold silk + mortarboard
FRSM - black stuff gown with open pointed sleeves + red hood line with purple silk + mortarboard

do you have that kind of things for diploma?? that would be so COOL!!!!!!!!!
do you know about ATCL?

Each college has its own academic dress. For some it is just a cap and gown and other, higher dips a cap, gown and a hood. They are expensive though and there are not many occasions to wear them apart from fancy dress parties.

Thank you for the information. I received a letter from ABRSM regarding the ceremony (for Diploma) to be held in Hong Kong on 6.11.2006. The letter didn't mention what kind of academic dress to be worn. Do you know "mortarboard" for DipABRSM is included or not??

The rental of dress is HK$450. Photo is HK$850. Total HK$1,300.

Interestingly, robemakers in the UK quote the same academic dress for DipABRSM, LRSM and FRSM - what was previously used for one of the G<something> music college qualifications.

Actually, I have to retract what I said earlier - there is now some variation in the quoted hoods between the three diplomata. However, it appears to make no sense: DipABRSM and FRSM are the same; LRSM is different .

YetAnotherPianist and dcmbarton, thank you for the reply.

Do you know "mortarboard" (cap or hat) for DipABRSM is included or not??

The best people to contact are Ede and Ravenscroft who make all the hoods, or any other makers of academic dress.

I wrote e-mail to Ede and Ravenscroft already. But no response .

yes, it should be included. I wore the mortarboard few years ago.

Ms Fiona of ABRSM just reply me that the Hong Kong Awards Ceremony, yes all graduants will wear mortarboards as standard . Thank you very much.

quote Petrat "there are not many occasions to wear them apart from fancy dress parties"

Fancy Dress party!!!

If I get my Dip (Performance) ABRSM I'll be so chuffed I'd wear it everywhere!!

To bed, to the shops, to school!!

Wouldn't that look cool at school prizegiving .. a pupil in gown and mortar board

DipABRSM - black stuff gown with open pointed sleeves + red hood line with blue silk + mortarboard

this is true coz i wear these every week lol!

Do you only go to the supermarket once a week then ?

Yes it is very expensive to buy a gown and hood for DipABRSM. I emailed the relavent people and they replied:

"Further to your email below I'm pleased to confirm the following information:

DipABRSM Purchase prices

Gown ------------ £165.00
Hood ------------ £52.00

Hire prices

On the full outfit is £38.00 plus £12.00 postage & packing.

Delivery on both would be 10 days."


So it is expensive! We don't have much chance in wearing the gown anyway. But it looks weird to me to wear gown etc... cos in our formal hall (dinner) dinning with fellows at uni we have to wear gown too... imagine wearing a gown walking on the street.....i don't know.. i feel weird about it...

When will the ceromony take place in Hong Kong and in the UK Joe? Difficult for me........ I will only be in hong kong twice a year - in xmas and summer. Where did you get the details of the ceromony?

Many thanks,

maTThew

Does anyone have any photos of these nice hoods and gowns?

It would be nice if the AB organised ceremonies here in the UK. I wonder why not after all the hard work? We always have the option to attend ceremonies for OU degrees.

The FR hood is scarlet red with a bit of mauve piping. Quite nice, unless you have a hangover. I think I like the look of the FT hood - gotta get me one of those!

Aren't you all a bit too old to be playing at Witches and Wizards?

Which one's Harry Potter?

More importantly, who gets to play with the broomstick?



Steve

Any church musician playing or singing in an anglican church who sings/plays evensong regularly wears their hood.

The FT one is rather appropriate in Lent MrB with the FR being perfect for Passiontide!

The LR is perfect for Pentecost and feast days for martyrs.

I wore my LTCL hood at school for my last year in the choir, along with the staff who wore their hoods.

<thinks back to last few Evensongs at both Valhalla Parish Church and St Canticle's and reflects on the lack of hoods, even amongst those entitled to several different ones>

You sure about that?

Of course, if you can point me towards the appropriate rubric, canonic law or anything else which *obliges* anyone entitled to wear a hood to do so, I'd be delighted to hear about it.

That's rather disappointing that the ATCL doesn't have a hood! In which case, can someone describe the extent of 'appropriate professional experience' required instead of Grade 8 for the DipABRSM (yes I have read the syllabus) but some examples of what has counted as sufficient and what has counted as insufficient would be rather handy.

I've just had a quick look at the Grade 8 singing and there seems a fair bit of overlap with pieces with the diplomas. I also saw on it Head's 'Money O!' which I sight read from an illegible copy at a music festival 11/12 years ago - the accompanist was sight reading it too - it was a set piece for the class and we managed a reasonable performance.

It doesn't oblige, it merely allows, and I don't think you'll find it in canon law it is convention. If you look at the vest,emts of clergy and readers for evensong they are wearing cassock surplice preaching scarf, and if they are entitiled to one an academic hood. Choir members are dressed similarly save the preaching scarf which is the only badge of office that differentiates them. Therefore as you are entitiled to wear an academic hood then you are entitled to wear one over your choir robes.

However during services where the clergy are wearing cassock alb, stole chasuble and in some churches dalmatics because there will be the "real presence of christ" then hoods stay in the vestry... this is unless your organist wears his/hers then your in the clear and can wear yours.

I think that'll keep the guild of servers happy.

I don't wear mine for mass or funerals (lovely pink err palatinate Durham BSc) but I do shove it on for weddings, evenscream, vespers, GSS office and benediction

This is a nonsense which has no basis in any rules or regulations.

I'm just repeating what I've learn't from my very "high Church" friends and i dotters and t crossers who are guild of server members have told me!

Trying to find rules and regs has been hard.

I think its covered in my nineteenth century Directorium Anglicanum

Barry Williams says (see http://www.organistpublications.co.uk/webF...nships_1.html):

Thank you for quoting me.

You may be interested to see the note in Halsbury at paragraph 971 which reads thus:

"WEARING OF OFFICIAL ROBES
Any person holding any judicial or civil or corporate (i.e. including academic office may attend and be present at any place of public meeting for religious worship in the robe, gown or other peculiar habit of his office, or with the ensign or insignia of or belonging to it, and such attendance does not entail any forteiture of office or other penalty. (Office and Oaths Act 1867 Section 4)"

It is complete and utter nonsense to suggest that hoods may not be worn for servies of Holy Communion. I have a picture of three priests concelebrating at All Saints Margaret Street in cassock, surplice, scarf and hood - all Oxford MA. Holy Communion is an Office in the Church of England, as well as being one of two sacraments. Under the Revised Canons Ecclesiastical Canon B8 paragraph 6, the minister may not change the from of clerical vesture in use unless he (or she) has ascertained by consultation with the parochial church council that the changes will be acceptable. The norm is cassock, surplice, scarf and hood. All other vesture is, in law, a departure from that.

Barry Williams

PS May I remind Board members of the recent Employment Tribunal Ruling ruling that Canon B20 makes organists employees? this is good news, for it gives the right of appeal to a secular Tribunal in cases of unfair dismissal and discrimination.

I recently spoke with my vicar about the wearing of hoods, particularly at Holy Communion services where I had been told they should not be worn.

His opinion is that certain low-church clergy would normally wear a hood at Communion services, and suggests that most of his colleagues would think it appropriate that a qualified organist wear their hood.

This is news to me. I have always thought it a mark of respect for men to take off any hats in church, except those who have to wear them because of their religious office - eg bishops. Certainly, I've never seen anyone else wearing anything on their heads.

I blame the tabloids!

Steve




Show off!

I bet it wasn't really 25 yards!!

[quote]Musician, organist, choir trainer, teacher.
MA (Birmingham Conservatoire)
BA (Hons) (Dartington College of Arts)
FRSM, FTCL, FLCM, ARCM
25 yard breaststroke certificate[/quote]

Show off!

I bet it wasn't really 25 yards!!
[/quote]


I just read that and wasgoing to post te same thing. rofl.
a whole 25 yards

Academic hoods, of course!

[quote name='hello_cello' date='Mar 13 2008, 09:48 PM' post='676606']
[quote]Musician, organist, choir trainer, teacher.
MA (Birmingham Conservatoire)
BA (Hons) (Dartington College of Arts)
FRSM, FTCL, FLCM, ARCM
25 yard breaststroke certificate[/quote]

Show off!

I bet it wasn't really 25 yards!!
[/quote]


I just read that and wasgoing to post te same thing. rofl.
a whole 25 yards
[/quote]



And I managed it without drowning - just about!

Well I suppose if its good enough for All Saint Margaret Street then it's good enough anywhere.

<note to self make sure you find your CNAA hood and invest in LRSM hood as you are entitled to wear them at any church service you are singing or playing for. Get new gown as Your gown is Cambridge cut and LRSM requires an Oxford cut gown>

What a good idea!

I could get into practice, couldn't I; there's a h*ll of a draught around the organ here so I could wear my dressing gown whilst about the business - don't need to worry about a separate hood 'cos it already has one attached.
Who cares if it is blue towelling or not? No one sees me until they come up for Comminion and if they give a hoot then it just means their minds are not appropriately engaged.

Mel (loves an excuse to dress up)

Sometimes we have a server who wears a skull cap at mass (when its more than usually cold), and the priest will sometimes wear a skull cap or biretta, and the priest in the next parish sometimes wanders down the road in a wide brimmed cure's hat as though he's fallen out of a Stella Artois advert - the delights of the Church of England!

Hmmm, I'll probably get excommunicated for this, but it IS friday!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ9sJVJMiYM


Steve

Ah, Adam Buxton...

Dear Barry,

All of this is pre-dated in the ornaments rubric from the late 16th Century. It advises that hoods and other such garments may be worn at choral offices, such as evensong, funerals etc, but not at the Eucharist. I figure they can be worn for the beginning of the service, but everyone should go to the communion rail as equals, and therefore hoods shouldn't be worn.

The accepted rule is if the Priest/Vicar etc is in white, then no hoods. If in black, hoods!

All the best

James

How much is it to rent the gown & cap? In euros

Depends on the qualification.

From the local robemakers here Diploma and undergraduate degree (BA, BSc, BD, LLB, BPhil MSci, MMath etc) robes are £32. Postgraduate certificate, Postgraduate diploma and Masters (MA, MSc, MMus, LLM, MLit, MPhil etc) robes are £36 and Doctorate robes (PhD, EdD, DPhil etc) are £40 if you return them on the same day. If you need them overnight then you have to ay extra - I think the full amount again.

Robes cost between £200-600 to buy depending on what they are and what they are made of. I bought my MA robes (around £200) because I knew that I would be wearing them regularly with choir and it was cheaper to but them than to hire a set each time I needed a hood. I'm not buying my PhD robes because they cost around £500.

I can't tell you what these prices are in Euros without doing the maths - you can look it up just as easily as me.

Just been reading this thread.
Does this mean I can have a hood for my LTCL?

http://www.trinitycollege.co.uk/resource/?id=3291
"Holders of Trinity Guildhall Licentiate diplomas are entitled to wear a gown and hood (purple edged with mauve)."
See Ede & Ravenscroft to buy one.

My favourite colour!
Thanks