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mattrattley
this vaguely leads on from another topic i've read here recently ("Really Frustrated Adult Learner" by Barbara)

i started thinking: "what can you do if you get frustrated over a certain thing that you simply can't seem to do?". having read through the topic, i now know how to learn to coordinate my right and left hand when playing piano - which doesn't help much on a bassoon biggrin.gif - but i'm at a loss as to how to get over a major stumbling block when i come across one, which seems to be more often now than a year or so ago.

is it just a case of try, try and try again - or is there a way of getting a skill in your head and under your fingers?
anacrusis
I spent about fifteen to twenty years being frustrated about the fact that I could hear in my head how I wanted music to emerge from my instrument, but couldn't make it go that way, and that I can't count at all well.

What changed it for me was sitting in my kids' piano lessons, and observing the little changes their teacher asked them to make - small but very effective - in order to help them get over gremlins. Her counting method worked for me - I don't still use it, but it got me started, and I began to realise that one of the best ways to get over any stumbling block is to take a step back from it, slow right down, focus on that bit and pick it to pieces. Thus for a melodic line with lots of alternating leaps up and down, I might play the series of high notes all in a row, without the low ones between, then swap. For a difficult fingering which produces mud if not co-ordinated exactly, I slow down until it is neat, and gradually crank up the speed until it works at the rate it needs to go. For a tricky run of notes, I will sometimes approach it from the end and add more and more notes to the beginning of it. I also have a book of studies, from which I use exercises when a particular gremlin is bothering me. I was always too impatient before, and imagined that doing the same run again and again would get it right eventually, but all that approach did was to ingrain a series of mistakes. I think that as we get better, there will be more and more tricky moments to deal with, but we can also get better at coping with them - it just needs patience. (oh, and a metronome is very useful!)

Last night my husband and I played through a couple of the pieces I'd done for my diploma exam - one of them I have hardly looked at since, and yet it went like a dream - I've discovered how to learn properly at last. smile.gif
sbhoa
If you've been trying for a while and getting nowhere you need to find a different way to approach the problem as the first way isn't working.

I wish I was better at working out the next bit...... dry.gif
Alias
When ive got a huge stumbling block, i tend(well have been taught to recently at least) to slow down a notch and have a good look at what i cant get and what im doing wrong. Instead of trying over and over again, ill take it one step at a time to fully learn it. Technique wise, i practise the technique that is required to play something if i cant play it, e.g. octaves, arppeggios
fsharpminor
Yes I remember a period when I didnt touch an organ for a year or two. When I started again I found I had lost co-ordination between hands and feet. My left hand always wanted to go in the same direction as my feet, they wouldn't work contrarily.
I just had to revert to easier pieces for a while until I could get back upo to Bach Preludes and Fugues again.
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