Just wondered if anyone has played this - and how you handled the fast sections, single or double tongued?
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Just wondered if anyone has played this - and how you handled the fast sections, single or double tongued?
Just wondered if anyone has played this - and how you handled the fast sections, single or double tongued?
I'm playing that for my grade 8, lovely piece!!! I'm not double tonguing any of it. 
QUOTE(july @ Feb 12 2007, 02:15 PM) 
I'm playing that for my grade 8, lovely piece!!! I'm not double tonguing any of it.
I am really struggling getting it up to speed single tonguing it
QUOTE(ren @ Feb 12 2007, 02:45 PM)
I am really struggling getting it up to speed single tonguing it
Me too.
I'm not double tonguing either. I'm just trying to do lots of studies and scales etc. to make my articulation better.
Definately double tonguing! Depends what tempo you play it at, I play it at around crotchet = 120
Curiously, are the people single tonguing because they cant double tongue well enough. Even though its a good thing to be able to single tongue quickly, its also good to be able to double tongue clearly, with both te and ke equal in strength.
I use double tonguing nearly all the time where the tempo is fast enough. There are some exceptions such as Reinecke Ballade where the a precise staccato tongue starting at the front of the mouth is required, difficult to do at the tempo its meant to be at!
Curiously, are the people single tonguing because they cant double tongue well enough. Even though its a good thing to be able to single tongue quickly, its also good to be able to double tongue clearly, with both te and ke equal in strength.
I use double tonguing nearly all the time where the tempo is fast enough. There are some exceptions such as Reinecke Ballade where the a precise staccato tongue starting at the front of the mouth is required, difficult to do at the tempo its meant to be at!
QUOTE(sags_3 @ Feb 12 2007, 05:32 PM)
Curiously, are the people single tonguing because they cant double tongue well enough.
That's partly the reason why I single tongue it, though I'm mainly single tonguing because I feel more secure and I will leave proper double tonguing till after grade 8. And as I can do it up to speed fine, I don't see why I have to double tongue it.
I know someone who HAS to single tongue everything, she has a speech defect (that doesn't sound like the right word but can't think of a better one.......... 
) which means she is physically unable to double tongue - BUT she is a fine flautist and studied music and the flute at uni. So it's possible to get away with it - as she told me, she just had to learn to single tongue really fast. I think in an ideal world it would be brilliant to be able to single tongue really fast AND double tongue securely, as then you have more flexibility...
I can't do either really well yet but hey
) which means she is physically unable to double tongue - BUT she is a fine flautist and studied music and the flute at uni. So it's possible to get away with it - as she told me, she just had to learn to single tongue really fast. I think in an ideal world it would be brilliant to be able to single tongue really fast AND double tongue securely, as then you have more flexibility...I can't do either really well yet but hey
I need to work on single tonguing! As long as youre fine with it up to speed theres no reason why you should have to use double tonguing. Its good to start practising double tonguing along with your grade 8 things, try it with scales. I find practising everything in a double tonguing passage with 'te' and then everything with 'ke' really helps. The 'ke' is particularily hard when playing all the notes with it!
I would have thought double tonguing would be needed to play it right up to speed. My double tonguing isn't wonderful so have put off doing the rondo at full speed! I know it doesn't need to be ultra fast but think it is easy double tongued.
QUOTE(recorderzrule @ Feb 12 2007, 08:16 PM)
I would have thought double tonguing would be needed to play it right up to speed.
Depends how fast you can single tongue I guess!
QUOTE(sags_3 @ Feb 12 2007, 07:16 PM)
Its good to start practising double tonguing along with your grade 8 things, try it with scales. I find practising everything in a double tonguing passage with 'te' and then everything with 'ke' really helps. The 'ke' is particularily hard when playing all the notes with it!
Cool, I'll try that, thanks!
QUOTE(sarah-flute @ Feb 12 2007, 08:40 PM)
QUOTE(recorderzrule @ Feb 12 2007, 08:16 PM)
I would have thought double tonguing would be needed to play it right up to speed.
Depends how fast you can single tongue I guess!
Very true!!
I worry about the speed some people play the last movement of the G major. It is marked Tempo di Minuetto, and some versions I've heard sound more like a Viennese waltz! 
It's one of those awkward pieces that falls on the edge of my single/double tonguing: I can play it either way, but I think it works slightly better single tongued for me.
I find using t and k syllables too dry unless I'm playing a very staccato passage, so I tend to use d and g syllables for most double tonguing.
It's one of those awkward pieces that falls on the edge of my single/double tonguing: I can play it either way, but I think it works slightly better single tongued for me.I find using t and k syllables too dry unless I'm playing a very staccato passage, so I tend to use d and g syllables for most double tonguing.
QUOTE(andante_in_c @ Feb 12 2007, 09:00 PM)
I worry about the speed some people play the last movement of the G major. It is marked Tempo di Minuetto, and some versions I've heard sound more like a Viennese waltz!
It's one of those awkward pieces that falls on the edge of my single/double tonguing: I can play it either way, but I think it works slightly better single tongued for me.I find using t and k syllables too dry unless I'm playing a very staccato passage, so I tend to use d and g syllables for most double tonguing.
Thats quite true, but I find you need it quite fast to make the last movement exciting! Not a huge fan of the last movement. Just checked quite a few recordings, tempos of crotchet = 138, 132, 126, 126, 132, 132. The well known flutes players such as Pahud and Galway all playing it at 132.
Also thats true, I do use De Ge for most pieces, especially Mozart concertos which I like to play in a very germanic way.
I'm really glad I posted this!
Single tounging I'm just not up to it but double tounging I'm fine, my teacher is set on me doing it single because thats how he did it (not that he can now
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It's not like my single tounging is horrendous but for the speed of that piece I just havent got a hope!
Single tounging I'm just not up to it but double tounging I'm fine, my teacher is set on me doing it single because thats how he did it (not that he can now
)It's not like my single tounging is horrendous but for the speed of that piece I just havent got a hope!
QUOTE(sarah-flute @ Feb 12 2007, 07:14 PM)
I can't do either really well yet but hey
Me too - I try to practice double tongueing every time but it's something that really takes time. I find that my teacher can't really help me either so it's just down to hard work now...!
QUOTE(andante_in_c @ Feb 12 2007, 09:00 PM)
I find using t and k syllables too dry unless I'm playing a very staccato passage, so I tend to use d and g syllables for most double tonguing.
I've been told to doo goo rather than te ke! But i experiment with both.
Can anyone recommend any recordings of this concerto?
Jaime Martin and Emmanual Pahud......best 2 recordings in my opinion!
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