I meant it's 1-0 to Yorkshire for me. I'm still trying to think of something for Lancashire...the Blackpool Tower is all I can think of.. I'm from Kent, so I'm just enjoying the banter of it all!!!

Personally, I prefer Derbyshire because it produced the late, great Alan Bates- the best film and stage actor ever..in my humble Kentish opinion!

Sorry Appleblossom - I thought you must be one of 'them'. Well I can only suggest you make your way to Bury Market and get stuck into a black pudding We love people from Kent! Even if you do have a bit of a thing about people called Alan! Hey hang on - I married an Alan - what am I saying

As for songs:

She's my lassie from Lancashire...

Old Pendle, old Pendle.......

The Queen is the Duke of Lancaster isn't she? And as for the Grand Old Duke of York, well, he didn't know whether he was coming or going, marching those poor old soldiers up and down that stupid hill....

And in the olden days Lancashire extended right into the heart of the Lake District - anyone heard of the Three Shires Stone? It marked the boundaries of Cumberland, Westmorland, and Lancashire......

Oh and as for famous people - George Formby?

Where did Les Dawson come from by the way? Anyone know?

She IS one of us - AREN't you Petal, especially when I commissioned those white chocolate Yorkies specially for you!!!!!

Oh yes- sorry Goldfinch...2-0 to Yorkshire!!



my dad was Alan and I have an Uncle Alan...spooky isn't it?

Right so here's the boundaries - Yorkshire is the big yellow county covering most of the north of England. Lancashire is .... erm, where's Lancashire... can anyone see Lancashire ???

Skylark, my beautiful Surrey is blue on your map

My mother-in-law was evacuated to Yorkshire during the war. Husband and I have been up to Yorkshire a few times (well, there's alot of it ) and I like what I've seen. Does this make me a Yorkshire lass by default?

However, this "war of the roses" masks the real debate - The Great North-South Divide!

That looks like a map of the traditional counties of England, when Surrey covered much of what's now South London. Very interesting.

Have visited much of Yorkshire, but hardly anything of Lancashire aside from Manchester and the M6....

Re. the north-south divide, where does the south end and the north begin, I wonder.....

And a very pretty duck-egg blue it is too!

Yes you're definitely a Yorkshire lass in spirit - well done for picking the winning side!




There's hardly anything of Lancashire worth visiting

And you're writing a song about a Yorkshire lass - that makes you a Yorkshire lad!

Might be wrong, but was the late great Les Dawson from Southport??
Beverley.

My visit to West Yorkshire in June will be my first for over 10 years. There is a lot to see - I like Leeds as a city, and then there's Holmfirth and the Last of the Summer Wine country.....

and the Kaiser Chiefs!

WHAT???? Of the 14 battles in the War, York won 10 of them, including the Battle of Towton which put Edward of York on to the throne, and the Battle of Tewkesbury at which the Lancastrian heir to the throne was killed and Henry of Lancaster was murdered shortly afterwards, so consolidating York's hold on the throne. So you only won in the sense that you lost!!!!!

Really, YAP, I'm shocked at you sinking so low as to re-write history in order to score a cheap point ...

I think he was from Manchester or round abouts.
Oh and you all know The Lumberjack song from Monty Python? Well yes somebody from Rawtenstall in Lancashire wrote that and Spam and many more.
There are so many comedians from Lancashire I'd run out of cyberspace if I listed them all!
In fact a recent survey showed it to be the funniest place in the whole world with the most amusing, entertaining people on Earth! Yorkshire didn't get a look in - tough that isn't it

Hmmm. You're welcome to him.



Somebody so famous that you can't remember his name



They certainly don't count if you don't list them!!!


Anyway our famous sons don't talk rubbish or tell naff jokes - we've got Michael Parkinson, the thinking girl's crumpet, as I think he's been described

Yes, I can see why they would want to have a hotel in Yorkshire rather than Lancashire

But you're right about the Fylde coast - there's nowhere so incomparably flat and boring on the Yorkshire coast


(sorry Great Aunt Dilys, but this is War you know )

Which city in the north of England did Harvey Nichols think was the best outside London??? Umm, which county is Leeds in???

Very impressive map lovey. Pity Kent isn't as green as that any more You see that little Island bit? Well, if you come over to the left about an inch or so, that's where you'll find me!! Somewhere round there anyway!!

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Ouch! That hurt, Skylark, though it's soooooo untrue. Flat Fylde? Huh! It's pure Zen - you wouldn't understand! However as this myth is common it does mean Lancashire people have the most stunning countryside and coastline all to ourselves!

What YAP didn't say about Stonyhurst was it's one of the most magical places on earth - Pendle Hill over the wall - the sacred River Ribble running near - seriously if you're ever near Clitheroe (check out the music shop on the main road) and then go to Stonyhurst - it's like nothing on earth. If you like Elizabeathan/Gothic/ Magic it's unmissable. Not only did Tolkien write and base part of Middle Earth there - our fabulous poet Gerard Manley Hopkins taught there - and other pupils included Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and Charles Laughton (a Scotsman and Yorkshireman both obviously 'made in Lancashire'.) And then go up Pendle Hill (where the Lancashire Witches roamed) and then go up through the Trough of Bowland through the exact middle of the British Isles (following the herons and dodging the weasles) and drop down into Morecambe bay. Nah - nothing at all worth visiting. If you don't want it - goody gumdrops - it's all ours.

Did any of my bunch of Red Roses mention that Michael Vaughan was born in Lancashire

And did we mention I'm a Rambler (from Manchester Way) and the Rochdale Cowboy!

Or William Walton?

Or Victorian Wood - Peter Kay - how much proof do you want!




Oh dear - Victorian Wood Well it is Friday night!

And now I'm singing that old Beatles (Lancastrian lads through and through ) song

I once had a girl or should I say dah dah dah daaaah.


I'd call a truce but after 400 hundred years I just can't let the side down after we've been winning for so long!

Well I was going to do my "gracious in victory" thing and say that Stonyhurst does look rather impressive, but then you spoilt it by persisting with this winning myth. READ MY POST TO YAP!

A truce? Hmmm! Not yet at any rate!


The world's most popular game - Monopoly - is made in Yorkshire by John Waddington. (And the boss of John Waddington was the only person to stand up to Robert Maxwell when he tried to make a hostile take-over bid - yaay, canny and fearless Yorkshireman!)

I lived my entire childhood in the shadow of Pendle Hill...........




Yes but the pretty village of Waddington is in Lancashire!!!!!

Being from Cleckheaton I'm for Yorkshire of course.

I wore a white rose at my wedding- as did my best man- from Lancashire.


Do remember though that the emblems are really for the Duke of York and Duke of Lancashire- neither of whom ever came from their respective counties- they just held estates there.

I like Yorkshire Puddings.

White Rose all the way.

(Harrogate )

Nonsense. You seem to have forgotten the Battle of Bosworth Field, 1845. Quoth I wikipedia:



Hence the saying 'Richard of York gave Battle in Vain'. So who was trying to score a cheap point, then?

I like Yorkshire puds too, but it's supposed to need an angel to beat the batter... so how DO they manage in Yorkshire??

The mind boggles........

Wikipedia??? The encyclopaedia that anyone can edit??? You have been re-writing history, haven't you YAP!

And who did Henry Tudor marry? Elizabeth of YORK - he couldn't find a suitable wife from his own side, could he!!!!

Lancashire...Blackpool rock and "Kiss me Quick" hats!! Knew I'd think of something eventually!

2-2!!

I'm perfectly against lancashire but Henry Tudor was welsh.



Here in yorkshire we have the fortitude to use electric mixers

you don't have the strength to beat the batter yourself? too feeble? do you mean that .. awwww

He's only in the junior corps - he's not quite old enough to engage in battle yet




You know what they say about Yorkshire - it's God's Own County so of course we cook like angels


Talking of food, the world famous Harry Ramsdens fish and chip restaurant started in Yorkshire; and forget afternoon tea at the Ritz - we've got Betty's!

Oi, be VERY careful what you say about the Welsh, or you'll have me, petrat and the other members of "The Taffia" to deal with

Oh, and I make a stonking Yorkshire pudding

Deborah (hybrid enough to play rugby for either England or Wales, still smarting from this afternoon's defeat in Rome , and apparently a Yorkshire lass by association).

Kind hearted and caring - the Co-op???? If you want kind hearted and caring, try William Wilberforce of Hull who was responsible for getting slavery abolished

Talking of famous sons, we've got Captain Cook the famous explorer, born in Whitby


And of course Whitby is also famous for, er, Dracula


Could that be why we have some of the most prestigious financial instititutions in the country, like the Halifax and the Bradford & Bingley? Oh and we have our own bank as well - the Yorkshire Bank

You know what happens if you sit in the middle of a battleground petal - you get caught in the crossfire! I'm only thinking of your welfare luvvy

That would be the Halifax, now Halifax - Bank of Scotland, and the Yorkshire Bank - now owned by the Clydesdale Bank. Poor little banks, couldn't manage on their own .

The Scots are the spiritual partners of Yorkshire folk, financially speaking - we both have the same healthy respect, shall we say, for thriftiness

But then you'd know all about that, wouldn't you, having deserted Lancashire for Scotland....

Oh dear, that was a bit below the belt wasn't it Still, all fair etc...


Another pointer to our vibrant economy - we have 3 airports within our historic boundaries - Leeds/Bradford, Teesside and Doncaster. You only have one - Liverpool (Manchester airport would be within the old Cheshire boundary - and it would still only make 2 airports anyway) ...

I hate to highlight this, Goldfinch, but you do in fact live in Yorkshire now rather than your home county Can't help wondering what you thought Yorkshire had that Lancashire didn't

Yorkshire is going to have its very own Forum Users Concert

(Don't even begin to think that you could count Stalybridge - historically it belonged in Cheshire ...)

I'm more worried about sitting on this fence- I'm beginning to get splinters...!

Anyway, we have our very own Leeds here in Kent which boasts the most beautiful castle in the world!! Ner ner ner.....

You're a bit of loose cannon on this battlefield, aren't you flower!

Never mind, we've got St George on our side!

Hooray!! Not much support for you though is he??

I only ask St George to ride to my rescue when it's an emergency It's a long way off being an emergency on this thread luvvy! In fact it's become a bit of rout on this thread. I can't see any Lancastrians for dust!

In other words, he's keeping up the rearguard..behind you all the way!!

**I must not hijack this thread!!**

Talking of threads, Montague Burton established his tailoring empire in Yorkshire

There were guys walking round Huddersfield with big signs giving people free hugs at half term
And I believe there is a rather cool beach in the centre of Sheffield, or atleast there was in the summer

You're right - I've been wondering about that ever since I've lived here and I'm glad you need to wonder about it too - so I'll tell you the answer it's NOTHING! It was just an accident I arrived here. And really - I do wish everyone would stop harping on about that tastless lump of spongy gunk called Yorkshire pudding which needs to be lathered in gravy just to make it taste of anything! Compare that to the divine taste of homemade Lancashire Hotpot.

Oh and another thing - William Willberforce was only one of many Whigs that were for abolition - but he was also very much into enslaving his own people and didn't give a hoot about workers rights in his own country. Now by your leave I'm going to glue myself to the radio because there's a Lancashire derby in the F.A. up quarter finals and Blackburn Rover's is my beloved team (now can you work out from this that I'm not from Bolton or is it too complex for your little Yorkshire bird brain ).

Oh and you leave Appleblossom alone you big bully! She's making brilliant progress

You know what they say, once someone starts getting personal, it shows that they've lost the battle - wouldn't you agree YAP


Here, have some sweets Goldfinch, just to show there's no hard feelings ... oh look, they're by Bassetts, world famous sweet manufacturer, based in, er, Sheffield!