I agree - having developed lots of bad techniques and THEN having a teacher who wasn't a flute specialist teach me some things that were also bad habits... and THEN having to get rid of them all. It can be soul-destroying especially when you've worked so hard. So I am extra careful that as far as possible nothing bad gets ingrained... I think it's particularly important if a student is talented as (IMO) it's doubly sad if such a child gets held back by poor technique that could've been corrected easily (some things are more difficult to get right than others but it's terribly sad when basic things which are just as easy to do right as to do wrong get ignored).

It isn't easy to strike a balance between fun vs playing right, but (IMO anyway) it's much nicer and more helpful to have a reason ("I'm asking to do this because...") rather than technique being addressed as "this is the way we do it". Depending on how vital something is, the emphasis is changed - and the methods used to get it right and the tolerance of not getting it right is flexible. It's possible to have fun and learn correct technique at the same time!

The grils were only ever taught in groups for Recorder in Primary school, with endless different teachers and getting nowhere. the youngest only until year 5 when I asked the best one to teach her privately and her sister joined her not to be outdone.

The Peri I'm referring to has no excuse the lessons at most contain 2 students. My eldest has individual lessons one at school for 20 mins and one at the centre for half an hour. The only reason my child's in a mess is that the teacher doesn't know what she's doing. She finished a degree only a year ago so she is also qualified.

If I post videos up of her there will be so many comments on technique that I won't know where to start! Te guy next door is helping her with Sax but Clarinet is a big problem. If anyone would like to help, feels that they have time then PM and I'll send some Vids to you. I've heard other pupils of this teacher and they all play the same as my daughter so it's not entirely the childs fault. When I took my youngest for an exam recently my heart went out to the girl after her, I think my youngest who's blown Clarinet about 7 times would have managed to sight read to the same level. Please believe me I'm not bragging merely expressing how shocked I was, and it's the best way I could think of, explaining the general standard of this teachers pupils. I've only heard 1 Clarinetist with a decent tone.

I sometimes can't believe that 4 or so students can be in the same lesson.
Luckily, the most I ever had was 3, including me.

I think it depends on the teacher and probably also the students whether group teaching works... I know of a flute teacher who's kind of infamous for producing amazing flautists despite group lessons, and I had group violin lessons as a child which I think started with 12 of us, and our teacher managed to incorporate theory and aural seamlessly into lessons... scary!

I think part of the problem is that LEAs expect teachers to magically be able to handle 3 students just as easily as they would one, without the teachers necessarily having any experience or training in group lessons, and without (often) the children being at a similar level. I had that throughout most of my secondary schooling, and even though I think I only shared with one other person for the 5 years I shared, I was never with someone at the same level or with similar difficulties to me, and most peris didn't have experience of/didn't like teaching in groups. What it usually meant was that we each spent half the lesson being taught, and half of it practising in an adjoining room... when it's sometimes difficult to get excused from lessons in time to make it down to wherever the music rooms are, not to mention the actual changeover between lessons plus getting one's instrument out and packing it away, that amounted to a 15 minute lesson if you were really lucky.

However I think group lessons can be great, it's just a shame that so many peris are expected to take group lessons out of the blue when conditions are less than ideal to start with. I wouldn't fancy it!

Anyway, I'm being so will shut up

Very interesting but

(sorry, had to try it out)

You could upload or send clarinet videos but of course nothing replaces a real live teacher. Can't you upload to youtube and restrict access to only people you want? I think that happened accidentally with one you put up at first.

Yes I could upload them and only let certain people view them, that is what I was thinking. Both Sax videos have been made private for the moment, shhhh husband doesn't know we have a Sax so I'm going to have to take them down, it's a long story lol.

As we have a holiday coming up I might not be able to record her until after that but I'll try and do it before. If your willing Neil I think I would have to add your email address to the family and friends list to let you view them, or anyone else for that matter who might want to help. Or if anyone knows another way then I'll take try that option.

If anyone is reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally bored, then I now have 3 different scaley type things up on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=sarahflute

One was a B major scale from sometime last year, mainly so's kind flute people here could help me out, and two are me playing around on the cello I have been loaned.

Not very exciting, but I'll try and put something more interesting up soon........

PS apologies for the rubbish sound, or at least it sounds bad on my pc's speakers - mainly due to my playing, partly due to my recording equipment...!

PS - I know my left hand is all wrong - need to sort that out!

same linky as above - I now have a couple of actual tunes posted!!

I have recorded some videos of me playing I would appreciate any criticism/advice

The first one is only a short extract from the middle of one of my pieces, just to make sure the sound and picture were insync. (sorry there are a few mistakes)

Sur le Fil

The second one is a piece i've taught myself, so i don't know whether it sounds as it should

La Dispute

I like them

Thank you

Just about to listen to them PS

Got Amelie CD and I am sure it has La Dispute on it, and it sounds right for me

Ah cool, that's alright then Thanks

Ah its from Amelie - that's where I recognise it from! Sounds great

Yeh, I love all of the music from Amelie, i think it's really pretty.

Thanks

I might do a video of something...

Go for it, Nicki!

Does it have to be before 1934?

Ooooh you should

It doesn't seem to make much difference on You Tube, suppose they can't police everything!

OK. I'll have a think...

I liked it a lot Oboebunny, sounded really nice!

Hi Nicki

Some time ago there was a question in the Organ Forum about changing manuals. I posted links to a couple of clips of Lawrence doing just that (because I thought it might be helpful). The clips had been filmed during regular services and featured music by Campbell and Britten. I immediately got a reply from a distinguished contributor pointing out that I was infringing copyright, the thread was pulled shortly afterwards and I received a polite letter of admonishment from a Moderator.

Which made me wonder about all the wedding vids that appear online, so having iced my sore knuckles I phoned the Internet section of the Help Desk at the Performing Rights Society (MCPS-PRS), who said ...

If you record a performance of music that is not out of copyright and want to publish it on your own website then you are supposed to pay the appropriate licence fee (although if you don't, it is unlikely that anyone is going to come after you if it is clearly a non-commercial post intended for a small audience of family and friends).

If you record a performance of music that is not out of copyright and post it on YouTube (or similar) the copyright issue is between the MCPS_PRS (as agents for the copyright holder) and YouTube. Not you. The MCPS-PRS was (at the time and I imagine still is) in discussion with YouTube about some sort of blanket licence fee to cover everything they carry.

So you can record music that is still in copyright and post it on YouTube with impunity, and the links can be carried here without fear, according to the MCPS-PRS who police (or try to) this sort of thing. But you should think twice about hosting anything similar on a website of your own.

Best wishes

barry

Im sure lots of artists who arent mega famous but still have websites as well as amateur players dont pay for the rights for their recordings!

Anyway ....my youtoob page is : www.youtube.com/sagarflute

I'm not in the pro copying lobby by any means but I do wonder if preventing people recording themselves playing and stopping them from putting on sites like YouTube isn't shooting themselves in the foot a little. Maybe that's why there hasn't been a bigger to do over it.

Oh, that's interesting!

Does that mean If I had a website, I could link put the youtube embedded players on there?

I dont know why they have all these rules its just limiting our musical fun. I was going to be playing in this music festival and at the same time I wanted to record the performance to send off as an audition CD. The organisers said I had to get a Private Function Licence from the Mechanical Copyright Protection Society!

Hmmm, don't know - may be overstepping the mark...? Depends whether it's about who's hosting it (ie Youtube) or about whose website the content actually appears on (ie yours)

I've added another video ... hehe another from Amelie

Le Moulin

You can listen to my uber-exciting scales if you like... ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3CyAekHdEk

Just waiting for the Frere Jacques one to process.

Ordered some cello music today... badsarah.............

Oh yay, so I don't have to worry about the date.

Thanks for the info BT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rqFuI76CPU

Frere Jacques!

How long does it usually take to upload a video to youtube? Ive one uploading for the last hour...

hmmm...it's never taken me that long before normally a few mins max. When you say it's still uploading do you mean your still waiting for the video to become viewable, or are you actually still waiting on the upload page?

You should cetainly be past the upload page by now...but, it can take an hour or more before the vid is viewable you see!

Occasionally I've had one be eaten and never appear, but yes, it can take quite a while for them to get through the "processing" stage!

Depends. If it's a long piece (4 mins), then I guess it'll take time...

Thanks!
The file was too big.. it was about four minutes thirty seconds long but 305megabytes! I will have to find some way of compressing it I think...

Oops!

I quite often use their record function on the site, saves faffing around with uploading which is nice

I was board, so I've just uploaded some vids

Sorry about the bowing technique...It was taken before I fighuer out how to bow in a straight line (which was last week) I've been told to 'relax' my right wrist, but never took any notice of my teacher 'till now Naughty me.

Binks' Waltz- Joplin
Hunoreque- Dvorak
Gavotte by ???????

Here's the Hampton School Chamber Orchestra playing the 1st Mov't of Brandenburg Concerto No 5 by J S Bach.

Ali Trodden, Violin
Hugh Claridge, Flute
Lawrence Thain, Harpsichord

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atY69YgyaVM

(They're kids so don't be too hard on them.)

Best wishes

barry

Its really good for a school performance! I love this particular Brandenburg concerto, hopefully will get the chance to perform it someday (although Nielsen concerto would be my first choice!!)

I think so.

Have you seen the Glenn Gould version?

Gosh it's slow, and it stops just as he starts the big cadenza at the end. I wonder why.

hi everyone!



I uploaded some new vids if you want to see them. here

Well done Liz, your breathing is excellent and the tuning is much much better...

Lets have some more updates from the other oboists...

Andrew

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvl2oMY1mPQ

Another young Oboist for you to see. There are 2 more recent videos on my account.

I uploaded another one, because I didn't like my earlier ones...



here

I recorded a run through of my diploma programme with the accompanist if anyone wants to watch! :

Telemann sonata in Fm
Faure Fantasie
Hindemith Sonata mvt 1
Hindemith Sonata mvt 2
Hindemith Sonata mvt 3

Haven't got time to watch them all now, but have just really enjoyed the Telemann. The Fm is one of my favourite Telemann sonatas, although I play it on recorder more often than on flute.

Will watch the others soon

I listened to the Telemann earlier and really liked it. Inspired me to get it out and play it myself .