mozart had such a sad death, he was buried in an unmarked grave with the slaves.......

two questions:
1.did salieri poison mozart? there are A LOT of true-like evidences.....
2. how come 10% (a LOT) of the population of Vienna went to Beethoven's funeral and Chopin's heart was buried in Poland with his body in France, and Schubert was buried beside Beethoven. ALL THOSE LUCKY DEAD BODIES DOES NOT INCLUDE MOZART'S DEAD BODY!!!!!!!! WHY WHY WHY??????????????????

Mozart's been dead an awfully long time.

Just like some of these threads you're digging up.....

1. There is no proof that Salieri poisoned Mozart;
2. At the time of Mozarts death, it was common practice to bury people in communal graves. It was made all the more romantic and tragic because of who he was. I believe I read somewhere that he was eventually exhumed following DNA tests and has since been re-interred, but I'm not sure how accurate this is. By the time of Beethovens death, people were given a funeral befitting their status. Beethoven had four patrons who all helped contribute to giving him a good "send off".

And Beethoven was by far the superior composer of the two!!!!

**Runs for cover**

Salieri did not poison Mozart, however he did end up in an asylum as he thought he was responsibible for Mozart's death.

Mozart died penniless and was hence buried in a pauper's grave. Noone knows the whereaabouts. Chopin was a Polish hero that lived in France, and Not only was Schubert buried next to Beethoven, he was a pall bearer at the funeral suggesting they were friends as well as national treasures.

I suggest you read some good general music histories for answers to this sort of question.

i did read some good general music histories, but they say different things

Yup it means folk have to scroll through to page 3 !!!! to find the recent topics!!!! Argh!

I wouldn't pay too much attention to the accuracy of films like "Amadeus". It was never meant to be biographical...just an idea of his life and the way he thought when composing. For whatever reasons, Salieri took it upon himself to say he poisoned Mozart. Why?..who knows. We can only speculate.

In the same respesct the "Immortal Beloved" film about Beethoven is not based entirely on fact...the identity of the immortal beloved as mentioned in his letter has never been proven..just loads of speculation. The film would have us believe it was the sister -in -law he fought tooth and nail over for the custody of his nephew, Karl. Highly unlikely!

Find yourself a good book by a respected (official) biographer.

How can anyone categorically say Salieri did not poison Mozart? Evidence suggests he didn't, but we'll never know for certain. The answer to that has gone to his grave. Just because some historians say it didn't happen is not definitive.

OK, how do we know we are reading this forum.

Oh my god...when did he die? You mean he won't ever compose any more? (Although I guess he'll do some decomposing...*boom boom*)

I must have missed the Obits that day.......

Omigod, why did nobody tell me?

I think I've just inadvertantly disagreed with the above attitude in one of those 'old threads'! Sometimes an intersting thread dies because everyone just suddenly gets involved in something else, and we haven't all read them all anyway. As well as that, when someone is new to the forums, they're obviously going to schroll through the topics to find something that interests them, old or new, and might just feel the urge to comment. I think we should be a little more understanding of new, enthusiastic forumites . We've all been a little guilty recently of - maybe - possibly - putting them off....

well said Dulciana

I will apologise for responding abruptly in this thread. Put it down to irritation at having to search through several pages to find the real discussions on this board.

I agree that there are times when an old thread can benefit from a new lease of life, when there are more ideas to contribute or updates on progress of a project.

On the other hand, there are times when someone decides to put a trivial post on a succession of old threads as a "wallpaper job" with no value other than pages and pages of "last poster XXX". That is irritating and unnecessary.

But the problem is, that none of these threads were on the 12 pages of GMF anyway - they were all dug out from way back in the past in the dusty shelves of the forum archives, which noone had contributed to for over 12 months.......I was a bit annoyed, same as katyjay, because I wanted to see how the current topics which I had been following with interest had all disappeared onto page 3.....

oh well ......... i don't know if reetana is a hoax or not, considering she (?) only joined on the 11th and has managed to rile a few people already, or she could be a newbie who isn't used to the etiquette, whatever ....... come on guys it's only 2 clicks on the mouse to find the pages and topics you want from "view new posts" anyways, sooo not worth raising your blood pressure about

Angie, the fact is that "view new posts" was submerged in this effluence that irritated me in the first place.

And there's no need for you to be rude either.

Mozart died on December 5th 1791. Records show that he was sealed in a wooden coffin and buried in a plot along with 4 - 5 other people; a wooden marker was used to identify the grave. Although this is the kind of burial modern readers may associate with poverty, it was actually the standard practice for middle income families of the time. The burial of groups of people in one grave was organised and dignified, differing greatly from the images of large open pits now synonymous with the term 'mass grave'. Mozart may not have died rich, indeed he may have been relatively poor, but friends and admirers came to his widow's aid, helping her pay debts and funeral costs. Large graveside gatherings and grand funerals were discouraged in Vienna during this period, hence Mozart's simple burial, but a church service was certainly held in his honour.

At this point, Mozart had a grave; however, at some stage during the next 5 - 15 years 'his' plot was dug up to make room for more burials. The bones were re-interred, possibly having been crushed to reduce their size; consequently, the position of Mozart's grave was lost. Again, modern readers may associate this activity with the treatment of pauper's graves, but it was common practice.Some historians have suggested that the story of Mozart's 'paupers' burial was first encouraged, if not partly started, by the composer's widow, Constanze, who used the tale to provoke public interest in her husband's work, and her own performances of it.

Just to clear things up... I hate that people actually believe the film

i'll consider myself told (slaps own wrist)

But to have dug so deeply into the archives is an achievement in itself...seeing as none of the topics would have been on the current 12 pages of GMF.....

THANKS MALONE

i didnt really know anything about it but now reading your clear and helpful post i am well imformed

thank you flute monkey

Thanks Malone, and thankyou for replying to the original thread.

I have to say I've been a bit saddened by the reaction of some of the posts on this thread. If it is a topic which has annoyed some people then it would be far better not to post a reply at all and let it go down the forum pages naturally.

Happy to help

Thanks Malone - very interesting.

Hope your're not put off from posting here reetana - it was a good question.