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Belinda
I know you get UCAS points for each grade, but suppose I had grade 8 oiano and 6 and 7 on something else, all at Distinction (just suppose). Do I get points for each of 6,7, 8 or just for 8?

And for the second instrument?

Thanks
cellocase
As I understand it, you get points for the highest grade per instrument. So if you've taken 6, 7, 8 on piano and 6, 7 on violin (for example), you get the points for one grade 8 and one grade 7.
Clare1986
Yes, just the highest grade that you've got on each instrument grade 6 and above. And don't forget theory as well if you took it further than grade 5!
Belinda
is this written anywhere?
notmusimum
QUOTE(Belinda @ Jul 7 2008, 09:21 PM) *

is this written anywhere?


Actually that's something I've wondered about too. You could gather enough music exam points to get you into uni in theory (I know it wouldn't work in practice).
bluebell
I read a thread on this forum about this a couple of weeks ago.

It said that the universitys don't really count the UCAS points gained from practical and theory music exams. I assume they'd pay more attention if your degree is going to be in music though.

Information on UCAS points can be found on the UCAS website.
Belinda


Information on UCAS points can be found on the UCAS website.
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But doesn't answer my question!
bluebell
QUOTE(Belinda @ Jul 7 2008, 10:04 PM) *

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Information on UCAS points can be found on the UCAS website.

But doesn't answer my question!

I thought you wanted to know how many points you get for each grade?

It's clearly listed on the UCAS website somewhere..

And it is only grades 6,7 and 8 that count.
As cellocase says it's only the highest grade for each instrument that counts.
Belinda


And it is only grades 6,7 and 8 that count.
As cellocase says it's only the highest grade for each instrument that counts.
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But I would love to read somewhere the fact that it's only the highest grade that counts - the UCAS site tells you how many points per grade but not whether it is cumulative or best only
bluebell
QUOTE(Belinda @ Jul 7 2008, 10:37 PM) *

But I would love to read somewhere the fact that it's only the highest grade that counts - the UCAS site tells you how many points per grade but not whether it is cumulative or best only

Somewhere.. I'm pretty sure it's on the UCAS website there is a chart where you can enter your qualifications and it calculates your points.

It only lets you choose 1 grade for each instrument...

I did quite a bit of research recently for my daughter and that's what I found out.
crazy cow
QUOTE(Belinda @ Jul 7 2008, 10:37 PM) *

But I would love to read somewhere the fact that it's only the highest grade that counts - the UCAS site tells you how many points per grade but not whether it is cumulative or best only

Why? Several people have just told you, and Ucas aren't going to give you extra points like that - like for A level you get the points for the A level not the A level + the AS level...besides I'm sure I read it on their website anyway so it must be on there somewhere.
notmusimum


I thought the orginal question was if you have several instruments all at distinction Grade 8 do you get one lot of Ucas points or do they each carry the same points? that's how I interperated the question anyway unsure.gif I know that Theory and Practicals each carry their own points. I can understand that A levels will each carry a set number of points but surely if you had 5 G8 distinctions you would only get one set of points.
maya3
if you had 5 gr8 dist on different instruments, you would get 5 lots of the number of points for gr8 dist.
notmusimum
QUOTE(maya3 @ Jul 8 2008, 09:34 AM) *

if you had 5 gr8 dist on different instruments, you would get 5 lots of the number of points for gr8 dist.


I realise this is more than likely correct and I don't know how many Ucas points are needed for Uni these days. It just seems a bit odd that you could get points for all musical activities perhaps to the value of one or more A level.

I'm sure in reality that they don't really count except in situations where thereare two very similar candidates and can be used as a decider.
crazy cow
QUOTE(notmusimum @ Jul 8 2008, 10:44 AM) *

QUOTE(maya3 @ Jul 8 2008, 09:34 AM) *

if you had 5 gr8 dist on different instruments, you would get 5 lots of the number of points for gr8 dist.


I realise this is more than likely correct and I don't know how many Ucas points are needed for Uni these days. It just seems a bit odd that you could get points for all musical activities perhaps to the value of one or more A level.

I'm sure in reality that they don't really count except in situations where thereare two very similar candidates and can be used as a decider.


You can amass quite a lot of points, I think the idea is that they are accepting that getting to the higher grades is quite an achievement and that in the vast majority of cases a lot of hard work has gone into it and are simply reflecting this by offering points for it. If someone has got to grade 8 distinction in several instruments then it has probably been more work than an A level so why not have points to reflect it?!

In the majority of situations universities go on grades, especially those with higher offers, however UCAS points do count for entry to some universities and for others, showing that you have learnt an instrument to this level demonstrates commitment and hard work etc. that can add to the strength of the application smile.gif

Apologies for what was probably a rather sharp reply last night, I was reading it as the question being asked whether all grades could count, i.e. 6,7 and 8 on the same instrument; several people replying and then the same question being asked again.
xxx
notmusimum
QUOTE(crazy cow @ Jul 8 2008, 11:12 AM) *


Apologies for what was probably a rather sharp reply last night, I was reading it as the question being asked whether all grades could count, i.e. 6,7 and 8 on the same instrument; several people replying and then the same question being asked again.
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I think I interpreted this question because it's something I've been wondering about myself.

I agree with your other points and think that achievement should be recognised by Unis.


QUOTE(noodle @ Jul 8 2008, 12:04 PM) *

Music, dance, drama or speech qualifications

If you have music qualifications, such as ABRSM or equivalents, dance qualifications, such as RAD or equivalents, drama or speech qualifications, such as LAMDA, only enter each subject once with the highest grade you achieved.


Above quoted from UCAS webpge.

I'm probably wrong, but I was given to understand that points could only be counted for each subject once - practical being one subject and theory being another. So someone with grade 8 theory, grade 8 piano, grade 8 cello, grade 8 sax and grade 8 trumpet for example could only claim points for grade 8 theory and one grade 8 practical subject. I find it hard to believe that someone with several grade 8s could get into uni with the points for them and no A levels.



I think that's how I would have expected it to work.

Theoretically if the Uni works on UCAS points, and counts them for every G8, then someone could amass a significant numbewr of points towards entry.

Another interesting point is would a Jazz Practical (if and when they come) be classed as different toa Classical one? I'm not looking for an answer but I find it interesting.
sarah123
QUOTE(noodle @ Jul 8 2008, 12:04 PM) *

I'm probably wrong, but I was given to understand that points could only be counted for each subject once - practical being one subject and theory being another. So someone with grade 8 theory, grade 8 piano, grade 8 cello, grade 8 sax and grade 8 trumpet for example could only claim points for grade 8 theory and one grade 8 practical subject. I find it hard to believe that someone with several grade 8s could get into uni with the points for them and no A levels.


I emailed UCAS about this a while back, and they said that each instrument counts separately. I'm doing the form at the moment and how it seems to work is that the theory option disappears after entering one grade, so you can only enter one grade, but for practical, you enter the grades for ALL instruments (each one is a different 'subject')

Another point is that you can enter grades below 6 too (you just dont get points for them), which, given that most places dont look at music ucas points anyway, is definitely worthwhile.
notmusimum
QUOTE(sarah123 @ Jul 8 2008, 11:10 PM) *

QUOTE(noodle @ Jul 8 2008, 12:04 PM) *

I'm probably wrong, but I was given to understand that points could only be counted for each subject once - practical being one subject and theory being another. So someone with grade 8 theory, grade 8 piano, grade 8 cello, grade 8 sax and grade 8 trumpet for example could only claim points for grade 8 theory and one grade 8 practical subject. I find it hard to believe that someone with several grade 8s could get into uni with the points for them and no A levels.


I emailed UCAS about this a while back, and they said that each instrument counts separately. I'm doing the form at the moment and how it seems to work is that the theory option disappears after entering one grade, so you can only enter one grade, but for practical, you enter the grades for ALL instruments (each one is a different 'subject')

Another point is that you can enter grades below 6 too (you just dont get points for them), which, given that most places dont look at music ucas points anyway, is definitely worthwhile.



Thanks Sarah!! It's very intresting and worthwhile to have this cleared up. Just hope there are enough spaces for someone I know when the time comes laugh.gif
sarah123
QUOTE(notmusimum @ Jul 8 2008, 12:48 PM) *


Another interesting point is would a Jazz Practical (if and when they come) be classed as different toa Classical one? I'm not looking for an answer but I find it interesting.


Here's a list of instrument choices copied directly from UCAS. Each thing on the list can be counted separately, so i think that means jazz and classical count separately.


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notmusimum


We've all had a good laugh at this list. I'm dreading that form when the time comes ot complete it laugh.gif
sarah123
QUOTE(notmusimum @ Jul 9 2008, 04:56 PM) *

We've all had a good laugh at this list. I'm dreading that form when the time comes ot complete it laugh.gif


There's also an option to enter an instrument not on the list...anyone for grade 1 alpenhorn? laugh.gif
sarah123
*Considers writing an illustrated guide on how to do UCAS form music bit*
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